Please make Criterion reward gear.

[Sazuzaki]

Criterion is genuinely fun. I really like the dungeons, and we finally get content that's in between easy and hard. Finding and scheduling 8 people to do Savage is already very time consuming, and a lot of people find it hard to schedule raid times around their work, so Criterion is a really good opportunity to address that.

The only problem that's tossed around a lot is there's no incentive to actually do them. I remember the Devs saying that Criterion was experimental, so I hope that Criterion can reward gear that's only a little worse than tome and Savage gear in 7.0, but still around the same item level.

Gear rewards can look something like this:
1st boss: Accessories
2nd boss: Head, Feet, and Hands
3rd boss: Body and Legs

Maybe they could add a weapon you could buy with the currency?

Let me know what your thoughts are

[vetch]

Or put the Expert dungeon drops in them, but with 1 guaranteed piece per completion like leveling dungeons have.

[Sazuzaki]

That's not a bad idea either. Farming patch dungeons has always been a pain.

[Absurdity]

The only problem that's tossed around a lot is there's no incentive to actually do them. I remember the Devs saying that Criterion was experimental, so I hope that Criterion can reward gear that's only a little worse than tome and Savage gear in 7.0, but still around the same item level.

I'd go further and make it either 655, higher than unaugmented tome but lower than augmented and savage (still has the potential to be BiS depending on what other options you have in the slot), or make it 660 but also have a weekly lockout.

There isn't really any reason to not make it a viable BiS gear option, it is difficult enough to reward high end gear and having more potential gearing options for your BiS would be welcome.

[Sazuzaki]

I'd go further and make it either 655, higher than unaugmented tome but lower than augmented and savage (still has the potential to be BiS depending on what other options you have in the slot), or make it 660 but also have a weekly lockout.

There isn't really any reason to not make it a viable BiS gear option, it is difficult enough to reward high end gear and having more potential gearing options for your BiS would be welcome.

Good points. Criterion should absolutely be an alternative to Savage if they want to respect the players time more imo.

[kidknee]

#1) 50 potsherds reward: mount
#2) Gear drops are 650ilvl in the instance
#3) 10 potsherds reward: upgrade gear to 655 ilvl (alt job gearing)
#4) 60 potsherd reward: one epic ring with 3 materia slots .. (scalable ilvl like menphinas earring. Which increases damage done in all 4 man content by 10% upto level 90)
#5) 60 potsherd reward: on 655 weapon which + 2 bookIV anabaseious (or whatever) can be upgraded to 660.
(All gear from criterion have a +2 set bonus of +10% damage in 4 man content and 20% +4 set bonus is 4 man content). This way you can cap tomestones faster and reclear criterion faster with less headache.
And with the special epic ring you can grind with alt job faster.

[Sazuzaki]

Agreed with all of you there. I've also thought about attaching Criterion to relic weapons, but ofc also making Variant a viable option for more casual players. Would do wonders for longevity

#1) 50 potsherds reward: mount
#2) Gear drops are 650ilvl in the instance
#3) 10 potsherds reward: upgrade gear to 655 ilvl (alt job gearing)
#4) 60 potsherd reward: one epic ring with 3 materia slots .. (scalable ilvl like menphinas earring. Which increases damage done in all 4 man content by 10% upto level 90)
#5) 60 potsherd reward: on 655 weapon which + 2 bookIV anabaseious (or whatever) can be upgraded to 660.
(All gear from criterion have a +2 set bonus of +10% damage in 4 man content and 20% +4 set bonus is 4 man content). This way you can cap tomestones faster and reclear criterion faster with less headache.
And with the special epic ring you can grind with alt job faster.

I like the set bonus idea, that's something I've always wanted to see inside this game. Only problem I see with the damage bonus is the toxicity to come with it; like people getting flamed for not having the set bonus, thus getting kicked. I love the idea of being able to 'upgrade' Criterion gear into Savage gear.

[Katish]

Awesome ideas and I would definitely like to see better equips drop from Criterion dungeons as there is just no point doing them. By adding equips to them, it would actually bring some value to them making people want to do them, which is great as I can never find a party for them on PF. The only thing that I have qualms with is the longevity of that value [this is not limited only to criterion but existing content as well]. When you out-level your gear, that content then becomes useless and/or filler, right back to where it started. This is prominent in savage but would be more so in criterion given you would be replacing that gear for the gear in current savage and potentially gear in the near patches. In fact, one could just forgo criterion gear in stead of savage gear or even tome gear until they get savage gear. I think to make them worth it, some should be potentially BiS as mentioned above making it advantageous to do criterion, as it solidifies some of that value.

Perhaps to extend the life of them even further, add their own sense of a "relic weapon", so there would be a variant of a casual relic weapon and a variant of a hard relic weapon that would have you do them on release i.e every criterion per patch they release during the length of that expansion (could also combine it with the savage content so their power would be justifiable). It would also add more longevity because honestly more weapon glams.

[Surprised]

Good points. Criterion should absolutely be an alternative to Savage if they want to respect the players time more imo.

No. Savage should still reward better gear because it is more difficult and time consuming activity . Spoon feeding is not the answer

[Sazuzaki]

No. Savage should still reward better gear because it is more difficult and time consuming activity . Spoon feeding is not the answer

I didn't say anything about it being an equivalent. Ideally the Ilvl should be somewhere around 5 points below Savage/augmented tome, as stated by Absurdity. I fully agree that Savage gear should be better, but I also agree that more possible BiS options would be welcome.

Of course, this also runs the risk of removing the point of buying/making crafted gear, so I think some restrictions on loot wouldn't be out of place. I wonder if there would be a better way to go about that?