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  1. #11
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    Kaeko's Avatar
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    Kaeko Leta
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    Quote Originally Posted by carraway View Post
    Sorry, I made lots of edits to my second and third posts in this thread.

    I've parsed over 150 peak DPS on Mistress without Minuet, using a mixed INT/m.atk/m.acc build (around ~505 m.acc with food); on a few ~2 minute kills, I typically end around 130-135 if I don't need to sleep anything. I'm positive that with better BLM gear and your specific strategy and setup, most BLMs could reach even higher ceilings. Triple melds are pretty expensive to come up with in the long run, but aren't entirely impractical.

    What are the damage breakdowns like per spell?
    When I worked out the individual spell damage and damage/MP ratios, I ended up with:

    Basing this off of 380INT, 578MATK, 25 Fire Potency:

    Thunder - ~400 damage, 1.9048 damage/MP
    Thundara - ~800 damage, 2.1164 damage/MP
    Fire - ~620 damage, 2.1088 damage/MP
    Fira - ~900 damage, 1.7857 damage/MP
    Firaga - ~1,250 damage, 1.7507 damage/MP

    The ideal action "spam order" I wrote out (which I don't think any of us actually followed) was:

    Parsimony, Excruciate, Quelling Strike (unless Collusion target), Resonance PREBUFF
    Firaga first strike
    Chameleon
    Thunder
    Thundara
    Fire
    Fira
    Firaga
    Fire
    Thunder
    Thundara
    Fire
    Fira
    Convert
    Firaga
    Fire
    Thunder
    Thundara
    Fire
    Fira
    Excruciate
    Parsimony
    Firaga <-- hopefully dead here
    Thunder
    Thundara
    Fire
    Fira
    Thunder
    Thundara
    MP gone

    Can also pop mega-potion of INT somewhere along the way. I pop mine before we start to maximize the first strike damage since I'm the collusion target; however, you'd probably max your damage output by using it some other time since you waste 10 seconds on the initial cast.

    EDIT:
    Thinking about things more, I find it interesting you guys have issues with Hearty Victuals (which are nasty) popping on the giltrap pop 60 seconds in since we get normal pops I think. This would imply your initial kill speed exceeds but then tapers off relative to ours.
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    Last edited by Kaeko; 04-08-2012 at 05:11 PM.
    Dancing Mad (Excalibur Server)

  2. #12
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    Glad I saw your post before I closed the parser.

    For me with most double melds(max/min):

    Firaga 1516/1294
    Fira 1033/889
    Fire 775/656
    Thundara 922/758
    Thuder 516/436
    Burst 986/986
    Freeze 514/514

    For our single meld member:

    Firaga 1479/1152
    Fira 996/845
    Fire 687/583
    Thudara 864/703
    Thunder 522/417

    Kaeko's Opening Firaga with Crit gear:
    1918
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  3. #13
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    Shanoa Varhara
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaeko View Post
    From studying video, I believe the Hearty Victuals will spawn with traps (as opposed to traps only) if Miser's HP is below roughly 40% when the traps are set to spawn. I haven't seen a video from you guys, but if this were true, it would imply that you guys get Miser to ~40% or better within the first 60 seconds since the traps spawn 1 minute after engaging Miser. If you slow damage down to only get it to say ~50% HP after 60 seconds, you'll get the normal non-Hearty Victual configuration.
    Hearty's do seem to replace 2 of the Giltraps once her HP drops to below 40-50% (not sure on exact percentage) but from initial aggro, I've never seen Giltraps spawn 60 secs in. Always been 80-90~ secs for us with another 30~ secs before Miser decides to move. Then the time cycle begins again when she moves out of the pool.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kikosho View Post
    Hearty's do seem to replace 2 of the Giltraps once her HP drops to below 40-50% (not sure on exact percentage) but from initial aggro, I've never seen Giltraps spawn 60 secs in. Always been 80-90~ secs for us with another 30~ secs before Miser decides to move. Then the time cycle begins again when she moves out of the pool.
    Ah I looked back at video and you're right, the the giltraps actually spawn 75 seconds in (from initial aggro or from getting out of the pool) and Miser moves at 120 seconds. So if you're doing enough damage to get to 40% at 75 seconds into the fight Hearty Victuals can spawn.
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    oo this makes me want to test my dmg caps with my fire set:

    90 crit on gloves,
    INT:386
    MATK:314
    FirePot:68 (25neck + 43feet)
    w/o food

    not sure what acc lvl I need for 100% on mistress I recently stopped doing BLM and switch to MNK, I have 412 with the above listed, with a bard song and food would be in the 475~500 range.
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    Thanks for confirming our observations about the adds. On fights where we kill her before she moves but the duration is over 2 minutes, I'm running into huge MP management issues so I might have to drop a few Firagas from the rotation.
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    Kiara Silvermoon
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    Hi Seiken, Kaeko,

    Fantastic thread, and congrats on the great kill & strategy.

    If I may ask, for this setup you describe here, is there no need for +Magic Accuracy besides what's normally found on your Hands?

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiara View Post
    Hi Seiken, Kaeko,

    Fantastic thread, and congrats on the great kill & strategy.

    If I may ask, for this setup you describe here, is there no need for +Magic Accuracy besides what's normally found on your Hands?

    Thanks!
    I believe (and Kaeko/Seiken can correct me if I'm wrong) that with BV Minuet, which is +86 m.acc, you shouldn't need to gear for it against Miser's Mistress.
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  9. #19
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    Kaeko Leta
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiara View Post
    Hi Seiken, Kaeko,

    Fantastic thread, and congrats on the great kill & strategy.

    If I may ask, for this setup you describe here, is there no need for +Magic Accuracy besides what's normally found on your Hands?

    Thanks!
    A Naked BLM will have around 407-413 MACC depending on race and stat allocation (MND vs. PIE). If you have BV Minuet of Rigor, you'll get +86, which gives you at the very minimum 493 MACC for the fight. This should be enough to cap Miser. So even the +9 on Mage's Halfgloves is probably not necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaeko View Post
    A Naked BLM will have around 407-413 MACC depending on race and stat allocation (MND vs. PIE). If you have BV Minuet of Rigor, you'll get +86, which gives you at the very minimum 493 MACC for the fight. This should be enough to cap Miser. So even the +9 on Mage's Halfgloves is probably not necessary.
    Thanks Kaeko (& Carraway)

    And during the rest of the AV run, do you find the inherent Magic Accuracy with your recommended setup sufficient as well?

    Thanks!
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