Crystalline Conflict Party (with Friends) Request:

[Archeron]

By having your team also fielding a 2/3 premade. Your stats are now even again on averages.

Woh!? At no point did I insult you... seriously!? (meanwhile you call my comparison 'stupid' and say I need my hand held)

My point was analogous--an analogy; I'm completely lost how (even more so why) you took personal offense at all?

Like being butt-hurt makes no sense to the idea of the original topic of saying, can there, please, be a queue to allow friends to party with friends?

Like NOW i do have to ask; do you really have no friends to PvP with like that one dude was sayin? Like IS that why you hate the idea so much? Hell I'll be your friend; I'll queue matches with you if SE ever makes it a thing, seriously.

Hell, SE is literally having premades as there big event in Vegas or something (i thought i read); I'd argue the only way to have an actual ranked match would be PICKING your teammates, assuming we're making an entire 5v5, which isn't what I was asking for, but just an observation.

Like it's off-topic, but 'ranked' is a HUGE joke given you never get to choose your team and you're 1/5--20%; that's 80% out of your control as far as THE TEAM goes. I literally had a person, in 'ranked', join my team, spamming laugh and stay up on the spawn area and let us get 4 v 5, and it was very one-sided--we lost; I guess I wasn't 'skilled' enough to pull out that win that time lol

I've gotten crystal before, but to anyone that's asked, I'll say what I've said when I did finally get it, yes your skill does factor in, but AT BEST, roughly 20% and really you just need to keep rolling the dice, you'll eventually hit it, it just takes A LOT of dice rolling--anyone rolling a 1d100 enough times will get a 100 to pop up, imo that's ranked CC pretty much. For that reason I really don't enjoy it, unless you can cheese a gimmick like NINs LB, you're pretty much at the mercy of whatever the queue puts you in, you can't learn your team or get better as a team, because there's no 'team'; it's just a buncha random dudes that show up with their own agenda (their OWN idea on how they're gonna play the match).

Back on topic, WITH friends however; I could see playing matches to be a lot of fun, again, I'd even go 2v2, having 2 friends, on the opposite team for some friendly competition.

Did Ransu make an alt account just to whine at me? That was a general response to the 6 other people dog piling on me who have nothing productive to say.

Stop projecting your insecurities about friends on to me. I have plenty of people I could PvP with if I chose to, and I have no need to prove it to the likes of anyone who frequents the PvP forum. Besides, do you really think I'd actually want to play with any of you? I don't need my friends to play with me in *literally* every single piece of content in the game.

[Valence]

What am I doing on those quotes? So confused...

[Ransu]

Stop projecting your insecurities about friends on to me. I have plenty of people I could PvP with if I chose to

Then stop complaining about "premades."

[Phylecia]

Well, I just completed the stress of getting to diamond rank for a flaming hellhound weapon, to be released in however many months…

My Thoughts:

I call it stress because I normally have fun in a match; win or lose. But placing that unnecessary tag to the results to dictate weather I’m advancing or impeding my goal makes it not enjoyable, it only created stress.

To be clear, I love the ‘idea’ of ranked, IF I got to choose my team. But when you have people either throw the match or just goof-off, my personal rank dropping is SUPER off-putting; at a minimum, let players black-list other players so they’ll never have to play on a team with them ever again. I’d gladly wait longer for a match.

I’m by no means an elitest at heart, I can lose 50 matches straight and IF I had fun, I really don’t care. I just hate having a goal, but my success, largely, depends on the actions of others, mine too sure, but at best 20%. 80% is out of my hands. And I’ll be honest, I think I’m, at best, an average player. I stayed low platinum for 3/4s of the night I was playing, 50%~ish through, then dropping to Plat 4 and just resting on it because I can’t lose any worse (no de-rank)…

THEN the magic happened, I got on a godly win streak and shot into diamond, and NO… I didn’t become godly and amazing because I learned something new or got gewd, I just ‘got lucky’ and getting diamond happened to me; I’ll say ‘it happened to me’ cause largely all I did was keep playing—keep rolling the dice; roll a 1d100 enough times 100 will come up, should I really be proud of that?? That’s a rhetorical, question; “No” is the implied answer we’re looking for here.

So for a moment, ignoring the BS and janky as hell things I saw—the scripts and teleport like movement during the climbing process; perfect without fail CC etc and Just see the mode for ‘what’ it is—it's just lotto; there is NO balance to upset here. I hate all the 'but the balance' arguments. Literally there is none besides what exists in the imagination of a handful of individuals. Therefore if that’s ALL it really boils down to, can I at least play 'the lotto' with friends SE? … … Please?

[RajNish]

Regarding the casual solo queue. No and no again. We all know that an effective duo or trio, with carefully chosen classes, can decide the game. You can control the entire match while in the voice chat and smash the enemy, whose party is picked up randomly, on the head. I don't think I need to explain to you how this can be done.

But. We already have people who queue up, simultaneously pressing buttons, and thus play casual matches and even ranked ones. There is also wintrading, unfortunately.

So, in fact, it would be possible to make a third (also casual) mode, in which such duo-trios or whole groups would gather. But here are some issues.

1. How to distribute people? One duo and one trio? What if there are four? So, someone random should join? Does this mean that this person should be taken from the solo queue or should the queue be limited only to a duo, trio, quintet?

2. A player base that is very small and only increases exponentially when new series appear. This means that at first you will quickly find opponents, but once everyone has collected their rewards, the wait can become endless. Because many have already played enough. In this case, your queue will not differ in any way from the PF, it will simply have an interface like a dungeon queue.

Resume all of the above. I have little faith that SE will bother with this now. But of course I would like it to be, if the two issues listed above could be somehow resolved. Because if you can somehow figure out the formation of parties 2-3-5, then the player base is still very small.

Food for thought, even at the beginning of a new series, a new season (I'm chalking it up partly to summer), people in my DC were complaining that they couldn't find the queue for casual games, so they had to jump to another data center and play there.

As a temporary solution. Look for a Discord server in your DC where people gather for matches in the PF, they agree on the Discord, form groups, and then just start the game in the PF. I think that it is not only in our data center, you should also have it. Well, or create such server yourself. Yes, it will take some effort, but you may also find new friends that you will have fun playing with.

[4clubbedace]

Regarding the casual solo queue. No and no again. We all know that an effective duo or trio, with carefully chosen classes, can decide the game. You can control the entire match while in the voice chat and smash the enemy, whose party is picked up randomly, on the head. I don't think I need to explain to you how this can be done.

But. We already have people who queue up, simultaneously pressing buttons, and thus play casual matches and even ranked ones. There is also wintrading, unfortunately.

So, in fact, it would be possible to make a third (also casual) mode, in which such duo-trios or whole groups would gather. But here are some issues.

1. How to distribute people? One duo and one trio? What if there are four? So, someone random should join? Does this mean that this person should be taken from the solo queue or should the queue be limited only to a duo, trio, quintet?

2. A player base that is very small and only increases exponentially when new series appear. This means that at first you will quickly find opponents, but once everyone has collected their rewards, the wait can become endless. Because many have already played enough. In this case, your queue will not differ in any way from the PF, it will simply have an interface like a dungeon queue.

Resume all of the above. I have little faith that SE will bother with this now. But of course I would like it to be, if the two issues listed above could be somehow resolved. Because if you can somehow figure out the formation of parties 2-3-5, then the player base is still very small.

Food for thought, even at the beginning of a new series, a new season (I'm chalking it up partly to summer), people in my DC were complaining that they couldn't find the queue for casual games, so they had to jump to another data center and play there.

As a temporary solution. Look for a Discord server in your DC where people gather for matches in the PF, they agree on the Discord, form groups, and then just start the game in the PF. I think that it is not only in our data center, you should also have it. Well, or create such server yourself. Yes, it will take some effort, but you may also find new friends that you will have fun playing with.

i dont want to find 9 other people to play with casually, i want me and my buddy to just queue up together in /casuals/

if sweat and drive is the real motivation, for challange, balance (?) , and climb, thats whAT RANKED IS FOR

duo in casuals doesnt hurt the ranked scene

[Phylecia]

Random team assignment feels closer, to me, to getting ranked on a (HEAD / TAILS) coin flip rather than on weather I’m skilled or not.

As an example, a game like Super Smash Bros. Ultimate; when tournaments happen:
A stage format is chosen (no hazards I know is one, like stage death traps and such are off. I think also a size is picked so a fast character can’t kite around a slow character until the clock runs out; things like that)
Items are shut off (RNG makes it possible to get like a pokeball or an assist trophy that could steal a fresh stalk from your opponent as an example)

My point is, the general idea is to eliminate as much random as possible and having the game boil down to the practice/skill-level/strategy of the players playing it.

Now, I get it, the biggest issue—the elephant in the room, SE isn’t doing anything about 3rd party tools—the cheaters OR the trade winning. What that means is removing randomness would actually make things worse because right now at least cheaters ‘might’ end up on my team, just as much as on the other team (sort of fair? Assuming I get 50 head and 50 tails out of 100 flips)

Same with win trading, they ‘might’ get to help a person, but the other 8 players, who knows how that’s going to land (it’s more random than controlled as I understand it).

But if ranked doesn’t work, just get rid of it; it’s kinda stupid for the reasons I’ve pointed out anyway.
They DID make a VERY AWESOME game-mode; it’s FUN! I’ll, 90% of the time, cap my points, whatever they’re called these days, to 450/450 doing casual CC only, because I enjoy it that much; win or lose I really don’t care; I’m having fun just playing.

My only complaint is when friends join online, I can’t have fun with em in this mode without an annoying amount of setup—you can’t just queue like with everything else, which then, just leads to a boring night of dungeon roulette. Not knocking people that enjoy PvE dungeon spam, if you like it kewl, but I just don’t get into it as much; it gets really meh after a while for me. PvP ya never know how it’s gonna go; it’s exciting/interesting/engaging!

Playing just to play and getting poetics as a bonus, that would totally shut me up completely. I would EVEN love it if queuing would split us up randomly; we’re still playing together, go in as 3 might be assigned red or blue, who knows? Idc let’s GO! I’ll totally gun down my friends; I’d love it, yes please!

tl;dr allow queuing with friends and have it have nothing to do with the rank queue at all (as an off distant thought; just get rid of Ranked entirely--there's a reason you don't see world's finals on (heads / tails) coin flipping tournaments which this mode is MORE of that than it is even fair matchmaking. Ranked mode is much more like playing a game a chess, but you 'might' start the match with half your pieces missing on the board 'so much fun, right? ')

[RajNish]

i dont want to find 9 other people to play with casually, i want me and my buddy to just queue up together in /casuals/

if sweat and drive is the real motivation, for challange, balance (?) , and climb, thats whAT RANKED IS FOR

duo in casuals doesnt hurt the ranked scene

And you, sitting in VC with a friend, will chop up casuals who have neither VC and the selection of the group is random? I see... After all, casuals do not want to win and move faster through the series at all. Sorry for sarcasm.

[Ransu]

And you, sitting in VC with a friend, will chop up casuals who have neither VC and the selection of the group is random? I see... After all, casuals do not want to win and move faster through the series at all. Sorry for sarcasm.

I'd chop up casuals regardless if I have a friend with me or not. I literally have games with 15+ kills. It's casuals, let people have fun with their friends, especially since 90% of the people out there queuing up with a friend are casual players.

If you want a relatively balanced match then play ranked where there is some semblance of matchmaking.

[RajNish]

If you want a relatively balanced match then play ranked where there is some semblance of matchmaking.

Thank you, I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.