IGN FF16 review is almost like a critique of FF14's own issues

[Atelier-Bagur]

Yeah that's exactly what a lot of people are saying.. I put my FF hype down for a minute and think about what I'm playing. Realize some things just don't feel good unfortunately. Some of the game design is questionable. I can only be so excited for +5HP, 2 gil, Blood Hide, Fangs so many times.. It feels like fluff. The FF stuff feels like they're tacked on you know? Like they shouldn't really belong, so in some scenarios it'd be best to just not have them at all.

There are some high highs, but these lows and thoughts of what could have been are kinda.. Eh.. It don't feel good in the heart. Still a good game overall, but I don't think $70 is worth the gameplay when I know people would enjoy it almost just as much as if they watched it. Maybe more to be honest. Like if Jojo over here is having a blast watching it? Maybe that's the way to go. Can't be disappointed in a game only giving you 2gil for exploration if you just watch it as a movie. lol

I would have to disagree with some points made here, especially the FF stuff. Without the iconic well....eikons and aether and crystals then the story wouldnt really work.

Remember, how come its completely ignored how the most popular game in the franchise....that being FFVII which arguably has more merit to be the less of an FF game is being argued as a "true FF" game than the more fantasy elements of FFXVI? You can seriously try to argue this point. What? Is it because of how its gameplay is still the same as the other games?

Now I agree that the solo character experience with only playing as Clive is very jarring in a series rooted in playing a cast of characters and its not a design choice I wouldve taken. But everything else about it such as your abilities, limit breaks, skill system is still intact with what came before.

I will also somewhat agree with the loot system being uninteresting but the numerous crafting materials you get from shinies and chests contributes to your gear upgrades which at least in spirit it serves with character progression.

Also people who argue about the 5gil drops ooooooooh boy let me tell you about a little game called FF2 where most of the treasure is littered with trash just like that. How about try finding only 1 gil in a treasure chest in that game!!!

Yeah know your series history my man.

[R041]

I would have to disagree with some points made here, especially the FF stuff. Without the iconic well....eikons and aether and crystals then the story wouldnt really work.

Remember, how come its completely ignored how the most popular game in the franchise....that being FFVII which arguably has more merit to be the less of an FF game is being argued as a "true FF" game than the more fantasy elements of FFXVI? You can seriously try to argue this point. What? Is it because of how its gameplay is still the same as the other games?

Now I agree that the solo character experience with only playing as Clive is very jarring in a series rooted in playing a cast of characters and its not a design choice I wouldve taken. But everything else about it such as your abilities, limit breaks, skill system is still intact with what came before.

I will also somewhat agree with the loot system being uninteresting but the numerous crafting materials you get from shinies and chests contributes to your gear upgrades which at least in spirit it serves with character progression.

Also people who argue about the 5gil drops ooooooooh boy let me tell you about a little game called FF2 where most of the treasure is littered with trash just like that. How about try finding only 1 gil in a treasure chest in that game!!!

Yeah know your series history my man.

Yeah I'm not talking about the actual story/setting FF stuff. Sorry what I said was super broad, what I mean is with how the crafting and loot works - Sometimes I feel like it'd be better off just not providing that as a game system because a weak version is worse than no version. Me finding 2gil over and over is worse than me finding no gil. You know? And crafting having almost no value is worse than no crafting.

It's got FF. The Eikon stuff totally works, the story and setting is great, I've been saying it's great and FF as fuck. I think it could've been done with party members instead of your main character having it all. BUT - I also understand from a story perspective, it'd get real weird and they couldn't.. Harm your party. But that's also kind of FF. I don't know, THAT part is a super grey area and it'd suck to lose an Eikon element because a party member died.

Talking about FFVII, we're just bringing up setting, and you know I ain't talking about that. It IS super refreshing to have a MEDIEVAL FF again. And we know that's not super consistent, that all went out the window starting from VI, which we should be thankful for. Or we may as well be Dragon Quest.

DON'T WHATABOUTISM FF2, yeah there are way worse systems. Doesn't mean I can't have feedback and criticisms.

"Yeah know your series history my man." - You're so confidently condescending without understanding my feedback. Bad loot isn't an FF staple just because there are a few in the series that have bad loot. FF games thrive because they take what worked every iteration and push it forward, typically leaving behind worse systems. Not bring them back.

I don't know how far into XVI you are, it kinda sounds like you're not very far. 95% of the materials you get are worthless and sit in your inventory as junk. I have 400 Blood Hide, 500 Wyrrite, 200 Steelsilk, 400 Sharp Fang, 500 Magicked Ash, for what? Is this just all sell fodder? You immediately get the materials you need to craft the best weapon from beating a boss. Then any upgrade after that is a quick +5. Not 5%, +5. Coming from 200, a +5 does nothing, and +5hp when you have 2k means nothing. Especially considering I 1 shot almost all creatures anyway, I don't even bother with +5 upgrades.

Anyway - You can enjoy the game, and I believe a lot of people are fully engrossed and having a great time. Don't get so defensive folks. It's just feedback. lol

Even with these flaws, it's still probably in my top 5 FFs.

[TheDecay]

Also people who argue about the 5gil drops ooooooooh boy let me tell you about a little game called FF2 where most of the treasure is littered with trash just like that. How about try finding only 1 gil in a treasure chest in that game!!!

Yeah know your series history my man.

Your argument is literally to use FF2, which is widely regarded as the literal second-worst or worst entry among main numbered titles, as an example and something FF16 should aspire to.

https://www.rpgsite.net/feature/6530...ousands-of-you

I'm beginning to wonder whether you intend to discuss anything in good faith here.