Housing Scarcity is manufactured

[Jojoya]

I mean.. Yes it has to be constant, if you actually want a break for a few month it quite literally has to be constant, also if people "need" a house, it's because when they come back to the game, they dont want to spend the next 4 years trying to get a large or medium (and that is by bidding every single bidding period, if they are eventually graced by the rng gods) but I figured you wouldnt understand that

The system is an absolute cancer, forcing people to keep their subs on in the eventual case of them coming back to the game, and god forbid they dont, they can enjoy bidding agaisnt hundreds of people for every medium or large, woooo so exciting to come back to that !

Again, why is it so important to have a house in a game if you're only going to be playing it 4 weeks out of 52 each year?

Demolition is necessary to keep houses available to those who are actively playing the game. Otherwise all the houses in the game would have long since been purchased and new players would be out of luck.

If the game had a proper instanced housing system, then demolition wouldn't be necessary. Because SE sticks to the ward system, it is.

Players can either choose to be smart consumers and stop paying a subscription for a game they aren't playing for the sake of something they aren't using, or they can be dumb consumers and waste their money just for the sake of saying "I have this item that's stays shoved in a closet most of the year, aren't I special?"

[Stormpeaks]

Again, why is it so important to have a house in a game if you're only going to be playing it 4 weeks out of 52 each year?

That is not what I said but okay, some people can take extended breaks because they've been playing since release or whatever, but you're going on the extreme side, okay I guess ?

Demolition is necessary to keep houses available to those who are actively playing the game. Otherwise all the houses in the game would have long since been purchased and new players would be out of luck.

Demolition is necessary because they want to keep people subscribed, stop pretending that SE is a small indie company, if they wanted to fix housing add multiple new wards in a few days, they would add them, or even make self-create wards, they would add them, they dont WANT to do it because it brings them money, stop being so oblivious.

If the game had a proper instanced housing system, then demolition wouldn't be necessary. Because SE sticks to the ward system, it is.

You're probably getting one on the island which is fine to me, however an instanced system on the "normal" areas a la mist etc, no thank you still at least from me

Players can either choose to be smart consumers and stop paying a subscription for a game they aren't playing for the sake of something they aren't using, or they can be dumb consumers and waste their money just for the sake of saying "I have this item that's stays shoved in a closet most of the year, aren't I special?"

Orrrrrrrrrrrr hear me out ! They could fix the housing system and add more wards, they are not a small indie company, as I mentioned above, this is all about the money, its racking in cash because people dont want to waste multiple years after coming back to the game to try and get a large, I dont know why this is such a crazy idea to you to not want to keep bidding for years on end with absolutely 0 chance to even win, so yes, people HAVE to keep their subscription up if they dont want to do that when they come back, and SE wants it that way.

If you truly think someone liking housing even in the slightest and coming back to the game and having to bid on for multiple years is "exciting" or "a good idea", I dont know what to tell you

[Reimmi]

Again, why is it so important to have a house in a game if you're only going to be playing it 4 weeks out of 52 each year?

Demolition is necessary to keep houses available to those who are actively playing the game. Otherwise all the houses in the game would have long since been purchased and new players would be out of luck.

If the game had a proper instanced housing system, then demolition wouldn't be necessary. Because SE sticks to the ward system, it is.

Players can either choose to be smart consumers and stop paying a subscription for a game they aren't playing for the sake of something they aren't using, or they can be dumb consumers and waste their money just for the sake of saying "I have this item that's stays shoved in a closet most of the year, aren't I special?"

Literally contradicting yourself here.
Nobodys saying they only want to play 4/52 weeks of the year. But some people would definitely appreciate taking a 3 month break without losing their house, coming back refreshed, and then devoting time to the game again. Without having to drop 40 USD just to keep the house going

[Jojoya]

Literally contradicting yourself here.
Nobodys saying they only want to play 4/52 weeks of the year. But some people would definitely appreciate taking a 3 month break without losing their house, coming back refreshed, and then devoting time to the game again. Without having to drop 40 USD just to keep the house going

Where the contradiction?

Someone taking a 3 month break would only have to pay $15 for a single month's subscription to keep their house, not $40. Enter house to reset demo timer on the day before game time runs out and the break begins. After 4-6 weeks, resub under monthly payments then cancel sub once the first month is charged. Enter the house to reset demo timer on the first and last days of the subscription period. Take another month off without paying the subscription, then resubscribe as the break ends.

It's the player's decision as the paying consumer whether or not the house is worth the subscription fee while they take their break (other than the 1 minute they have to log in every month or so to reset the demo timer).

If they don't think it's worth it, then they should give up the house. While getting the same house back on their return would be unlikely, getting another house would only require a little patience unless they only play on a super congested world like Balmung or Mateus. They can still get an apartment for each of their characters that they wouldn't lose so they wouldn't be completely without housing. With Island Sanctuary now allowing outdoor furnishings, the most they have to give up is gardening and most players don't bother with that.

You could say that players shouldn't have to make such decisions. I actually agree. It's why I still push for SE to add an improved instanced housing system to the game. With instanced housing, there is no need for demolition. Every player can get their dream location without impacting the ability of another player to do the same. Players can take a 2 year break from the game and return to find their housing just as they left it.

But until that happens (if it ever does, though what they're doing with Island Sanctuary shows they're capable of giving us a decent instanced housing system) we have to work with the system that SE provided. As long as the ward system is the only way to get a house, players will have to maintain a staggered subscription at the minimum to keep a house.

[Reimmi]

Where the contradiction?

Someone taking a 3 month break would only have to pay $15 for a single month's subscription to keep their house, not $40. Enter house to reset demo timer on the day before game time runs out and the break begins. After 4-6 weeks, resub under monthly payments then cancel sub once the first month is charged. Enter the house to reset demo timer on the first and last days of the subscription period. Take another month off without paying the subscription, then resubscribe as the break ends.

It's the player's decision as the paying consumer whether or not the house is worth the subscription fee while they take their break (other than the 1 minute they have to log in every month or so to reset the demo timer).

If they don't think it's worth it, then they should give up the house. While getting the same house back on their return would be unlikely, getting another house would only require a little patience unless they only play on a super congested world like Balmung or Mateus. They can still get an apartment for each of their characters that they wouldn't lose so they wouldn't be completely without housing. With Island Sanctuary now allowing outdoor furnishings, the most they have to give up is gardening and most players don't bother with that.

You could say that players shouldn't have to make such decisions. I actually agree. It's why I still push for SE to add an improved instanced housing system to the game. With instanced housing, there is no need for demolition. Every player can get their dream location without impacting the ability of another player to do the same. Players can take a 2 year break from the game and return to find their housing just as they left it.

But until that happens (if it ever does, though what they're doing with Island Sanctuary shows they're capable of giving us a decent instanced housing system) we have to work with the system that SE provided. As long as the ward system is the only way to get a house, players will have to maintain a staggered subscription at the minimum to keep a house.

Or, square could change the toxic business practice and extend the demolition timer, or remove it and do something about accounts with multiple houses locked down causing the issue in the first place.
Then just allow alts on the account to teleport to your house and alter it as much as wanted

[PintyMcEars]

Or, square could change the toxic business practice and extend the demolition timer, or remove it and do something about accounts with multiple houses locked down causing the issue in the first place.
Then just allow alts on the account to teleport to your house and alter it as much as wanted

Its an MMO. Its entire model is to keep as many people subscribed for as long as possible.

[Stormpeaks]

Its an MMO. Its entire model is to keep as many people subscribed for as long as possible.

Yeah so lets not encourage change or call them out on their practices, let's just say it as if it's fine and perfectly okay

/s

zzz

[PintyMcEars]

Yeah so lets not encourage change or call them out on their practices, let's just say it as if it's fine and perfectly okay

/s

zzz

Thats just how MMOs work. Ya its scummy but its the whole genre. aint gonna change. Thats just being realistic

[Rolder50]

Its an MMO. Its entire model is to keep as many people subscribed for as long as possible.

And yet people constantly praise Yoshi-P for saying that you can take breaks from the game... despite systems like housing actively discouraging it.

[LianaThorne]

Or, square could change the toxic business practice and extend the demolition timer, or remove it and do something about accounts with multiple houses locked down causing the issue in the first place.
Then just allow alts on the account to teleport to your house and alter it as much as wanted

Unless we all get surprised in 7.0, I highly doubt that we'll ever have the ability to interact with our other characters since we, at one point, could via a glitch and they removed it.

The only people who are owning multiple houses are doing it by Square's rules ironically. You can't own a 2nd private house on the same service account, so acquiring a 2nd one on a 2nd account is completely allowed. As far as FCs go, the line states that you can't have a 2nd FC plot on a character on the same world with the same service account that purchased and maintains a plot. The keyword here is "purchased" since it's already obvious that people can maintain more than one FC. The system physically locks you from buying a 2nd FC plot when you're still a member of the original FC plot you purchased, however, inheritance completely ignores that (which is something that is needed in an FC setting if the lead goes inactive and the keys need to be automatically handed off to someone else at the point they lose their ownership). So, if you have an FC on your main and have an alt in another FC (Idk maybe you want to be social sometimes) and the lead goes inactive with you being handed the role, the system will allow your alt to take over.

The demo timer is already 45 days and gets shut off randomly for months on end when crisis' around the world happen. The pandemic literally shut everything down for a year. Houses moved even slower than they do now. Extending the timer isn't going to do anything to fix any problems and just cause more people to scream that there's a shortage like it did when we had it off for that year.