CBU3 Excellence – Holistic Review

[Boblawblah]

Yep. Aveyond could have a completely good take on something and some of the haters will still ridicule him.

Have you ever read the boy who cried wolf? Eventually people stop taking what someone says seriously solely due to who is saying it. Aveyond has a history of nonsensical takes combined with his refusal to engage with anyone in good faith. He's a preacher standing on his own soapbox, and if you're not there to agree with him, you're simply ignored. So let's not pretend that him having a good take means that we all need to say "yea, that was a good take" Besides, his 'good take' here is simply a 'FFXIV sucks, FFXVI good'. Him writing it HERE of all places is simply just another of his soapboxes, trying to get attention.

[Vyrerus]

Have you ever read the boy who cried wolf?

That's actually an Aesop fable which has its moral explicitly stated to be, "Liars are rewarded with never being believed, even when they bring the truth."

Aveyond hasn't lied to us, duped us, or fooled us. He merely states his opinions in a flamboyant way. I see why you draw the parallel, but the moral of that story doesn't apply here.

As for bad faith engagements, that's pretty much the entire forum in a nutshell. Very rare is the person who comes here, looking to have their mind changed. Most folks come here to entrench themselves further in their own beliefs, and to find those like minded in an environment where their piece can be said without disappearing under strange karma systems that are actually just popularity/meme polls.

No one has to suddenly like anyone, but there's nothing inherently bad faith about posting your opinion.

[kpxmanifesto]

That's actually an Aesop fable which has its moral explicitly stated to be, "Liars are rewarded with never being believed, even when they bring the truth."

Aveyond hasn't lied to us, duped us, or fooled us. He merely states his opinions in a flamboyant way. I see why you draw the parallel, but the moral of that story doesn't apply here.

And this is precisely what the Aveyond critics want people to believe. They're looking to undermine and belittle Aveyond's criticism of the game by claiming that he's dishonest. To these types of people, those who criticize FFXIV are intellectually dishonest liars while those who defend FFXIV are ethical and principled. Why people like this go to such great lengths to suppress criticism, I don't know, but many times I just end up ignoring it.

[Boblawblah]

Oh, I 100% agree that the guy has an exaggerated sense of self-worth and can have bad takes, but to insinuate he's a liar like the other poster mentioned? I'm going to disagree with that.

my boy who cried wolf example was a poor choice. My point was that Aveyond is unreliable due to his previous statements/posts/attitude, and therefore discounting what he's saying because it's him who's saying it is not as crazy as some are making it out to be.

[VelKallor]

That's actually an Aesop fable which has its moral explicitly stated to be, "Liars are rewarded with never being believed, even when they bring the truth.

Greek, actually, the mythology around Cassandra, who was granted the power of seeing the future, yet was fated to never be believed. Or the Italian phrase, “traduttore, traditore”, which accurately describes the mindset we see here so often.

"Tell them the truth, tell them a lie, it doesnt matter, they wont believe you anyway"

Cant argue or change a closed mind.

[TheDecay]

Cant argue or change a closed mind.

Ironic.

[VelKallor]

Ironic.

Oh hiya Titanmen. Youre up late.

[Celine_Aurora]

Greek, actually, the mythology around Cassandra, who was granted the power of seeing the future, yet was fated to never be believed. Or the Italian phrase, “traduttore, traditore”, which accurately describes the mindset we see here so often.

"Tell them the truth, tell them a lie, it doesnt matter, they wont believe you anyway"

Cant argue or change a closed mind.

The Aesop fable they were referencing was the boy crying wolf, and traduttore, traditore has nothing to do with anything, it's about literal translations vs localizations that preserve the spirit of the original source