Can Square Enix stop killing off old content

[caffe_macchiato]

It's funny to see people defend FFXIV over WoW for having content that "never gets old" and is "always relevant", as opposed to WoW which makes you "play the patch".

Meanwhile, FFXIV has a dozen old systems that have been abandoned just like the ones in WoW. People have no sense of self-awareness whatsoever that we're becoming just like what we claim to hate. Island Sanctuary will be completely irrelevant when 7.0 comes out because Square Enix needs to bait people with new gimmicks to keep the subs rolling. You know, in lieu of actual gameplay worth people's time.

[Remish]

I think the only guildhests this game could still benefit from is hests that explain what certain markers do that appear in fights. We need stuff that explains what a "tower", "twister", "dive bomb", "flare marker" and many others are.

[BRVV]

Honestly i would like if they added a few new chocobo race tracks, more guildheists (Remish's idea to use them as tutorials is great), maybe more Golden Saucer games (Poker and other card games maybe, how about billiard and darts, a fishing minigame, the games from the original FFVII) and more!

[Striker44]

It's funny to see people defend FFXIV over WoW for having content that "never gets old" and is "always relevant", as opposed to WoW which makes you "play the patch".

Meanwhile, FFXIV has a dozen old systems that have been abandoned just like the ones in WoW. People have no sense of self-awareness whatsoever that we're becoming just like what we claim to hate. Island Sanctuary will be completely irrelevant when 7.0 comes out because Square Enix needs to bait people with new gimmicks to keep the subs rolling. You know, in lieu of actual gameplay worth people's time.

What I always see people pointing out in that comparison is the main story, not random side-content. The main story in WoW is an absolute mess for new players. In the pre-scaling times, you outleveled zones before you got anywhere close to finishing their stories, meaning you either kept going with them for practically no xp or just abandoned each storyline and went elsewhere. Now with the scaling, you can see entire stories through and still get solid xp, but you only get to see a select few pieces of the plot. And with the ability to go about them in almost any order, it can lead to utter confusion about what is going on. Not to mention entire major events like the Wrathgate, Battle for the Undercity, the whole last "zone" of the Timeless Isle, etc. are either outright removed from the game altogether or physically impossible to access for players who weren't already attuned by a certain patch.

Absolutely none of that is a problem in FFXIV. New players still have access to the entire MSQ in a sensible, sequential order with a roulette system that ensures dungeons and trials will always be popping. If I'm missing something, please let me know, but I can't think of a single piece of content in FFXIV that has actually been removed from the game or made literally inaccessible to newer players. Everything is still there for anyone coming into the game to still experience and enjoy.

That's the difference people talk about comparing FFXIV with WoW. You seem to be referring to particular types of side-content that either were never sufficiently popular or were only intended to be part of one expansion, but all of that content still exists for people to play, unlike in WoW, where it actually gets physically removed from the game entirely or made off-limits to newer players.

[LaylaTsarra]

Anyone notice the OP has no medals.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

It's funny to see people defend FFXIV over WoW for having content that "never gets old" and is "always relevant", as opposed to WoW which makes you "play the patch".

Meanwhile, FFXIV has a dozen old systems that have been abandoned just like the ones in WoW. People have no sense of self-awareness whatsoever that we're becoming just like what we claim to hate. Island Sanctuary will be completely irrelevant when 7.0 comes out because Square Enix needs to bait people with new gimmicks to keep the subs rolling. You know, in lieu of actual gameplay worth people's time.

Blizzard literally removed important lore quest chains like the Panda Legendary Cape and the Ring in Warlords of Draenor. There was no reason to remove either of those other than FOMO. Players that have them didn't want them removed, and players that missed out have been asking for their return for years. Blizzard doesn't care.

Heck, Blizzard literally killed the Forbidden Reach in the very next patch that came after it with the Caverns whom the playerbase hated so much that they just abandoned it after the first week. It's a dead zone, due to how poorly made and scaled it is.

Can you tell me of FF14 doing something like this? Where the very next patch killed their latest addition and then the playbase just abandons the new current patch zone because it's that bad?

What I always see people pointing out in that comparison is the main story, not random side-content. The main story in WoW is an absolute mess for new players. In the pre-scaling times, you outleveled zones before you got anywhere close to finishing their stories, meaning you either kept going with them for practically no xp or just abandoned each storyline and went elsewhere. Now with the scaling, you can see entire stories through and still get solid xp, but you only get to see a select few pieces of the plot. And with the ability to go about them in almost any order, it can lead to utter confusion about what is going on. Not to mention entire major events like the Wrathgate, Battle for the Undercity, the whole last "zone" of the Timeless Isle, etc. are either outright removed from the game altogether or physically impossible to access for players who weren't already attuned by a certain patch.

Absolutely none of that is a problem in FFXIV. New players still have access to the entire MSQ in a sensible, sequential order with a roulette system that ensures dungeons and trials will always be popping. If I'm missing something, please let me know, but I can't think of a single piece of content in FFXIV that has actually been removed from the game or made literally inaccessible to newer players. Everything is still there for anyone coming into the game to still experience and enjoy.

That's the difference people talk about comparing FFXIV with WoW. You seem to be referring to particular types of side-content that either were never sufficiently popular or were only intended to be part of one expansion, but all of that content still exists for people to play, unlike in WoW, where it actually gets physically removed from the game entirely or made off-limits to newer players.

Not to mention that new players are sent into BFA (a bad decision) and then at 60 are forced into Dragonflight which has a timeskip (of like 2-5 years since BFA) and all the war and stuff in BFA is long since resolved and irrelevant to Dragonflight.

Blizzard should have just made a new Exile's Reach and then send players (at least their first character) into the Dragon Isles which already has scaling on it based on your character level between 60-70, while Chromie Time already can scale things from 10-60. Just apply both to Dragonflight and have gear from the quest scale (like greens) as they level. At least the new players wouldn't be lost on the story (as Dragonflight is self-contained due to the timeskip) as much and will be where all the players are at. Having this scaling only apply to one character per account wouldn't be an issue. Bots wouldn't take advantage of it either as they would rather buy a Boost and then farm Legion/BFA/Legion and old Dungeons that their Bots can easily destroy at 60.

I still hate how Blizzard removed those Legendary questline/weapon quests because of FOMO. There was no reason to ever take them out.

I have the Panda Cape and the WoD Ring. I still believe that they shouldn't have been removed and players should be allowed to experience them.

[Reap00]

What's the point of developing whole-ass systems if you're just going to abandon them and never build on it? Chocobo racing? Minion battles? Levequests? Expert recipes?

Maybe there wouldn't be a lack of content if we get iterations and innovations on existing content types instead of them trying to build a whole-ass new system every expac. Please realize that when people complain about those types of content, that doesn't mean they want it removed or for the developers to stop making such content forever. They want it improved upon. They want better iterations.

Can you stop complaining about everything under the sun? I didn't think so.

[Shinkuno]

Can you tell me of FF14 doing something like this? Where the very next patch killed their latest addition and then the playbase just abandons the new current patch zone because it's that bad?

Yes. It happens every patch since ARR. Literally every single piece of content thats not MSQ or current content is a ghost town and if you cant solo it then lol good luck.

lol

[Shurrikhan]

Can you stop complaining about everything under the sun? I didn't think so.

See, this response would make sense... if what was quoted was a frivelous, unfounded, and unshared complaint.

...It's not, though.



In all honesty, this is a situation where you would actually make more sense attacking the man (GaiustheEderRagingBrofist) than the argument. Because there's nothing wrong with that argument.

And since there's nothing to be said in that regard than hasn't been said before... /shrug

[Kaliesto]

Right or wrong it is a bad look to see unfinished stuff inside this game.