Congratulations on FF16 being a huge success

[genuine_stranger]

I'm confused as to why people are unhappy with the game? Endwalker was incredible, made me cry so hard to see the finale, why do I see people complaining that the game is "hollow" etc.?

Because everyone who has issues with the story: Endwalker has plenty to show, but no sustenance at all. (I'm on this boat.)

Pretty much like GoT Season 7/8, the show had... ideas for the story. The execution was lackluster at best, downright horrible at worst. Too much plot armor, characters doing stupid sh’t or nothing at all, retconning, too much stuff packed into a single season, questionable plot points...

It's a great ride as long as you don't dig deeper than the surface.

[TaleraRistain]

Spoiler for the demo

The initial stream of F bombs when you're dodging rocks in the first scene? Yeah, I've said that out loud playing a game before when trying to dodge things. I grew up on an Army base and I have a filthy mouth. It felt very realistic to me.

I loved that part because that's what you're going to say when that's happening around you. I do that all the time in games.

I was already laughing at the first line and then I lost it at the next line.

[Mosha]

It's a great ride as long as you don't dig deeper than the surface.

Actually a great point, Endwalker just felt a bit lacking in hindsight there was no big ending to the scion's storyline which was inferred by Yoship that 7.0 is a whole new story. I am fine with some of the lesser scions e.g Estinien and krile taking a more leading role. TBH I just want my Gaius and Estinien buddy cop expansion tbh

[raelgun]

I'm confused as to why people are unhappy with the game? Endwalker was incredible, made me cry so hard to see the finale, why do I see people complaining that the game is "hollow" etc.?

Just because you cried didn't mean it was good.

[EderTheBro]

I'm confused as to why people are unhappy with the game? Endwalker was incredible, made me cry so hard to see the finale, why do I see people complaining that the game is "hollow" etc.?

bro this is an mmo the msq is like 10-33% of your playtime

i liked the story too but it's like barely 10% of my 6.x playtime

not talking about you but yes i know there are people where the msq is like 100% of their playtime but they have like 2000 posts on the forums, i have no idea what they're thinking and why they're even here defending the game non-stop (maybe having 90% of your "playtime" be defending the game on the forums is good content for them)

but for most people who aren't just expansion subbers, the msq is a minority of your playtime

[Renalt]

I'm confused as to why people are unhappy with the game? Endwalker was incredible, made me cry so hard to see the finale, why do I see people complaining that the game is "hollow" etc.?

I wouldn't exactly say "emotion = good" but other people do have their own benchmarks.

I can't vouch for anyone but I can say I really didn't like the whole Hermes/Meteion thing. A stupid boy who can't process emotions shouldn't make a telepath/empath and multiples of said thing and send it around the universe and not see this was going to be a bad thing. The fact everything was based off of that moment was stupid.

However I did like they are implementing duels finally. They did great work with the real final fight and it went so well they fixed the double shield boy joke of a fight trial and made it into a real proper duel. Much respect to that character now. He is a major badass.

[Deo14]

I'm confused as to why people are unhappy with the game? Endwalker was incredible, made me cry so hard to see the finale, why do I see people complaining that the game is "hollow" etc.?

There was quite a few things in story I disliked, but what I hated the most is that there never was anything at stake. Sure, world is ending blabla, but that happens all the time, even now Golbez is trying to do that or whatever he's doing. Nobody relevant died, just some civilian causalities. No Scion died, no sacrifice, everything was conveniently handed to us. Zenos even felt like he could kill Endsinger by himself if he really wanted.

Here are how solid stakes are supposed to look like, taken from FFXV (obvious super heavy spoilers about FFXV ahead):

Luci' bloodline is only thing that can defeat Starscourge/Ardyn, but even they couldn't do it at the start. They needed to pass their power from generation to generation to accumulate it. This also meant that each successor had shorter lifespan because of all the power he held. Until Noctis becomes the destined one, who must finally end Ardyn. After many trials and struggles, partnering with gods/primals, after death of his fiance, he kills Ardyn (he's immortal though), and then he proceeds to use all the power from his predecessors to get into the FFXV's version of lifestream/Aetherial Sea, where he deals final blow, finally killing Ardyn and sacrificing himself. He dies right after, there are no cheap tricks that help him survive, he just fulfills his tragic destiny and sacrificed himself for the greater good.

Meanwhile, FFXIV EW clown fiesta: Lol, let's just time travel to the start of time. Sweet, Sharlayans already conveniently made a means to travel to Aetherial Sea, so we can have a chit chat with literal god, no price, no consequences, only ponies and rainbows. And while we have chit chat with literal goddess, we might as well use her to make some Shell V-Power to fuel our space rocket, which Sharlayans also conveniently have. Then just kill depresso bird, where nobody dies, no sacrifices needed, power of friendship and anime is all we need.

This is my main gripe with 6.0: the story just doesn't feel real. Even the few stakes that exist feel very artificial. And after we time traveled and killed entity stronger than god, what else is there to do? I bet we lose gift of light in 6.5 or start of 7.0, but we still know that time travel and similar story-ruining elements are possible in the story.

As for 6.X MSQ, that's just bad, I don't think it even needs explanation. I bet it wasn't even meant as MSQ, but it was scrapped trial storyline.

[AwesomeJr44]

I'm confused as to why people are unhappy with the game? Endwalker was incredible, made me cry so hard to see the finale, why do I see people complaining that the game is "hollow" etc.?

It's hollow in the same way a typical Marvel movie is hollow. If you turn your brain off and look at the pretty lights on the screen, it's pretty alright. If you use your brain even a little bit, the whole thing falls apart and it's hot garbage.

As for 6.X MSQ, that's just bad, I don't think it even needs explanation. I bet it wasn't even meant as MSQ, but it was scrapped trial storyline.

Honestly, if the Golbez storyline was meant to be a trial series, that would explain a lot about the general low quality and need to insert filler into 90% of the patch length.

[Zebraoracle]

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Not to mention "Oh Thancred just died... then Estinien... now Y'shtola but she's all like 'let us do this you can just bring us back later once we make these bridges for you'". There was no sense of urgency or danger, it's just like every member of the group said "here's my chance to make a big heroic speech about hope to these beings who aren't even real and then wait to get brought back from time out". I honestly hope we get rid of Azem's crystal, it's such a deus ex machina tool. At least before things made sense - the WoL was gathering other people protected by Hydaelyn to deal with the primals. Now it's just... I'm gonna summon all of my copies of myself with all powerful crystal of seemingly infinite magic!

[Boblawblah]

Not to mention "Oh Thancred just died... then Estinien... now Y'shtola but she's all like 'let us do this you can just bring us back later once we make these bridges for you'". There was no sense of urgency or danger, it's just like every member of the group said "here's my chance to make a big heroic speech about hope to these beings who aren't even real and then wait to get brought back from time out". I honestly hope we get rid of Azem's crystal, it's such a deus ex machina tool. At least before things made sense - the WoL was gathering other people protected by Hydaelyn to deal with the primals. Now it's just... I'm gonna summon all of my copies of myself with all powerful crystal of seemingly infinite magic!

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