Positivity!

[Tulvi]

ah, just what this forum needed, toxic positivity

"look at me guys i'm right there is so much to do in the game and you all are wrong you negative nancies you didnt even do the achievement that requires you to fish 10000 fishes !!!"

What’s toxic about their positivity? What’s wrong with occasionally coming to these forums and balance out the negativity of majority of the threads here? No matter who I speak with in the game, no one has felt content draught and is absolutely happy with the state of the game and EW story. It really seems that people dissatisfied with the game are solely on this forum. So I don’t see any harm in sharing a counter opinion, as a forum is not meant to be only for those bashing the game, but everyone.

What about you learn to accept that probably a majority of people playing this game genuinely love it. The echo chamber of crying and negativity that these forums have become is not reflective of the opinions of countless of others.

[Stormpeaks]

What’s toxic about their positivity? What’s wrong with occasionally coming to these forums and balance out the negativity of majority of the threads here? No matter who I speak with in the game, no one has felt content draught and is absolutely happy with the state of the game and EW story. It really seems that people dissatisfied with the game are solely on this forum. So I don’t see any harm in sharing a counter opinion, as a forum is not meant to be only for those bashing the game, but everyone.

What about you learn to accept that probably a majority of people playing this game genuinely love it. The echo chamber of crying and negativity that these forums have become is not reflective of the opinions of countless of others.

OP already admitted it wasnt 100% genuine so this is already discussed and closed

also lol @"muh majority" I also love the game for a few reasons, housing, hanging out with friends, venues, gposes and glamours.

Complaining about the game or suggesting improvements =/ not liking the game

[AwesomeJr44]

What’s toxic about their positivity?

Nothing inherently. But for some reason, anyone who makes a positive thread seems to have this compulsion to make it either for the purpose of damage control (aka suppressing negative feedback so it doesn't get addressed) or to own the 'haters'. That's why this thread is an example of toxic positivity. (OP literally admitted to this thread being damage control so it's not even speculation to say that it is)

What about you learn to accept that probably a majority of people playing this game genuinely love it. The echo chamber of crying and negativity that these forums have become is not reflective of the opinions of countless of others.

Argumentum ad populum. Look it up.

[Dakuryon]

Nothing inherently. But for some reason, anyone who makes a positive thread seems to have this compulsion to make it either for the purpose of damage control (aka suppressing negative feedback so it doesn't get addressed) or to own the 'haters'. That's why this thread is an example of toxic positivity. (OP literally admitted to this thread being damage control so it's not even speculation to say that it is)



Argumentum ad populum. Look it up.

Exactly. I genuinely love the game too, but I'm allowed to be unhappy with how some quests are bugged to where you can't complete them without either logging off then re-logging, or needing a GM to intervene to fix it. The ARR quest The Gifted is infamous for this (which never got fixed by the way --- an fc member of mine had this happen to him a few days ago).

I seriously hate how condescending some of the people in here are. I'm sick of them wrongfully assuming that they're the only ones who love and enjoy the game and I'm sick of them wrongfully assuming that those of us who have valid criticisms about it are haters when that's rarely the case, if ever. I'm going to be unhappy with the things that are broken esp when said broken things affect the people I care about. Good on those of you who can be blissfully ignorant of such, but I can't. Ignorance isn't the answer to everything, nor does it solve things.

It's BECAUSE of my love for FFXIV that I want the best for it. People don't take that into consideration, and I'm sick of it!

[Renathras]

What’s toxic about their positivity? What’s wrong with occasionally coming to these forums and balance out the negativity of majority of the threads here? No matter who I speak with in the game, no one has felt content draught and is absolutely happy with the state of the game and EW story. It really seems that people dissatisfied with the game are solely on this forum. So I don’t see any harm in sharing a counter opinion, as a forum is not meant to be only for those bashing the game, but everyone.

What about you learn to accept that probably a majority of people playing this game genuinely love it. The echo chamber of crying and negativity that these forums have become is not reflective of the opinions of countless of others.

You're entirely correct. There are just people so salty, they can't fathom that other people aren't, and they want to convert other people to their way of thinking, by hook or by crook. It's like the saying, "Misery loves company", except when the company isn't miserable with them, they try to make people miserable.

Often people doing that try to hide behind "I'm just offering constructive criticism/critique of the game" and "The forum isn't just for positive posts/feedback, how can it ever get better??", but then they attack any one who says anything remotely positive about it, as if the forum was ONLY for negative posts/feedback. Everyone not on board the negativity train gets dogpiled, even if they have critiques themselves, and anyone who dares post positivity gets their thread attacked and derailed, as well as their personal character and motivations questioned and impugned.

I'm not sure why the moderators allow it, since some of it is pretty nasty and goes well beyond "disagreement" and is likely driving people new to the forums away (some have said as much), especially when so many people seemed to come by here while the Reddit was down (on the Reddit, now that it's up, they're openly mocking this place for its toxic negativity).

Clearly, as you say, most players seem to like the game. Some who can't stand it also can't stand others being happy with it. And before any post in reply to this saying "We're just critiquing the game!"; as I said before, if you were "just critiquing the game", you wouldn't be so dead set on shutting down any positive threads or posts and adding positive posters. Those aren't critiques, those are trying to ensure you have an echo chamber.

Tulvi is right, 100%.

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EDIT:

No one outside you guys' circle knows what you are talking about. No one wants to know what you are talking about. And you are definitively off topic. This is not the "personal beef and snipe at each other with random !@%#" thread. Please take it somewhere else and stay on topic here.

TRUTH!

[BRVV]

What toxic postivity is? Cult-like spamming of "EW was great!" in a discussion thread. Being sheepingly positive. You can also see this in the game. Say anything beside "o/" or "gg" and you risk getting kicked out of a group. I once dared to complain about someone spamming chat with their macro - kicked. Hiding your true feelings and possible useful comments because only positivity is allowed is toxic. Smile and hide it inside. Welcome to the new world. You don't need to be happy but you have to look like it.


Of course there is stuff to be happy about. Even in EW. A lot of people like the story. Problem is they played through it when EW released. Lately there is a lot of waiting between content and features like Island Sanctuary and Criterion & Variant Dungeons or the new Deep Dungeon, all of which most seem to dislike. A big story cliffhanger for 7.0 in 6.5 could spawn quite a few positive topics on the forums.

Are some of the lore discussions not positive? Or is it only positive if it praises the game in every sentence? When is it negative? If it doesn't do that?