Positivity!

[Zachia]

? WoW literally has way more buttons to press than FFXIV, and they all do something, unlike FFXIV's.



They are fun, until you have done the same casts a million times, and yeah, then it aint very fun anymore.



Like what ?

I'm talking about rotations: Take Elemental Shaman in dragonflight: Flame shock, Lava Blast, Lightning Bolt, Earth shock (4 button basic rotation), now you can add some complexity with the talent tree like Icefury and 4x frost shocks. But it still boils down to a simple rotation that pretty much revolves around 4 abilities as most specs / classes in wow do. Say compared to the Dragoon who has 7 buttons, not counting any ability that has a 30 second cool down or more / global cd weaving. Thats all for single target. They are pretty much the same on aoe rotations though.

I mean if you're doing the same crafting rotation over and over and thats boring, couldn't the same argument apply to combat rotations?

Reasons to logging in: Roulettes, great exp, great tomes, good gil. Beast Tribe dailies. Gold saucer / ocean fishing, controlling the market, island sanctuaries. Not including any of the weekly stuff which has its own list. And yes WoW "has more buttons to press" but you aren't using most of them in single situations like a mob pack, or a single boss fight.

[NekoMataMata]

It is genuine, I honestly love this game, I believe the story is the best any mmorpg has ever done. Combat feels better than say the 4 button rotation in wow (outside burst / cds). Professions are a god send (outside timed nodes), I enjoy this feature more than pve / pvp tbh. There are reasons to log in to do something every day and if you don't want to, you don't feel like you're being punished for it. It is just upsetting to see so much negativity when tbh the gaming industry seems to be going off a cliff and ff14 seems to be one of those few rare gems in the mud.

Your feelings may be genuine, but your reason for posting is not. You stated yourself that you were posting it as a reaction, so it gives off the vibes of the post being damage control.

I don't disagree with a lot of your points in the OP. I enjoy a lot of what you mentioned. I just don't really feel the need to mention it. I also don't believe that the content I enjoy takes away from the problems the game does have.

[Zachia]

Your feelings may be genuine, but your reason for posting is not. You stated yourself that you were posting it as a reaction, so it gives off the vibes of the post being damage control.

I don't disagree with a lot of your points in the OP. I enjoy a lot of what you mentioned. I just don't really feel the need to mention it. I also don't believe that the content I enjoy takes away from the problems the game does have.

Very valid points, I guess the reason i felt motivated to post was damage control for the forum mods / devs looking. I dont want them to think that "everyone hates their game" or "everything they do is wrong", or "everyone just wants to complain lets ignore all forum feedback". And I wanted to share that there are people who do love the game especially if any sprouts are looking at the forums and feel overwhelmed from said negativity and begin questioning their game of choice. But yeah I should of worded my statements better, it does look like my pro's overright people's cons when it doesn't.

[Absurdity]

Combat feels better than say the 4 button rotation in wow (outside burst / cds).

It's most likely because you haven't reached the stage where you look behind the curtain yet.

If you played WoW for 16 years then you unfortunately kind of only experienced the twilight years when it comes to their class design (at least in my opinion) but what we've been experiencing in XIV is basically what WoW players experienced when going from Cataclysm/Mists of Pandaria class design to Warlords of Draenor/Legion class design.
With every expansion we get more and more nuance sucked out of our jobs and the difference between the barrier of entry and the maximum potential of gameplay is increasingly flattened.

While WoW might only have 4 or 5 core abilities you use constantly their class design is often reactionary, it switches up your gameplay with random procs and buffs that you need to deal with.

Rotations in XIV on the other hand are basically static. Especially in this expansion there is a 60 second loop of abilities you execute in the exact same sequence every time, with every 2 minutes being the big window where all the raid buffs come off cooldown and everyone spams their big potency attacks at the same time.
It becomes stale and monotonous incredibly quickly, like you're working on a factory belt doing the exact same motions over and over and over.

[Tulvi]

ah, just what this forum needed, toxic positivity

"look at me guys i'm right there is so much to do in the game and you all are wrong you negative nancies you didnt even do the achievement that requires you to fish 10000 fishes !!!"

What’s toxic about their positivity? What’s wrong with occasionally coming to these forums and balance out the negativity of majority of the threads here? No matter who I speak with in the game, no one has felt content draught and is absolutely happy with the state of the game and EW story. It really seems that people dissatisfied with the game are solely on this forum. So I don’t see any harm in sharing a counter opinion, as a forum is not meant to be only for those bashing the game, but everyone.

What about you learn to accept that probably a majority of people playing this game genuinely love it. The echo chamber of crying and negativity that these forums have become is not reflective of the opinions of countless of others.

[Stormpeaks]

What’s toxic about their positivity? What’s wrong with occasionally coming to these forums and balance out the negativity of majority of the threads here? No matter who I speak with in the game, no one has felt content draught and is absolutely happy with the state of the game and EW story. It really seems that people dissatisfied with the game are solely on this forum. So I don’t see any harm in sharing a counter opinion, as a forum is not meant to be only for those bashing the game, but everyone.

What about you learn to accept that probably a majority of people playing this game genuinely love it. The echo chamber of crying and negativity that these forums have become is not reflective of the opinions of countless of others.

OP already admitted it wasnt 100% genuine so this is already discussed and closed

also lol @"muh majority" I also love the game for a few reasons, housing, hanging out with friends, venues, gposes and glamours.

Complaining about the game or suggesting improvements =/ not liking the game

[AwesomeJr44]

What’s toxic about their positivity?

Nothing inherently. But for some reason, anyone who makes a positive thread seems to have this compulsion to make it either for the purpose of damage control (aka suppressing negative feedback so it doesn't get addressed) or to own the 'haters'. That's why this thread is an example of toxic positivity. (OP literally admitted to this thread being damage control so it's not even speculation to say that it is)

What about you learn to accept that probably a majority of people playing this game genuinely love it. The echo chamber of crying and negativity that these forums have become is not reflective of the opinions of countless of others.

Argumentum ad populum. Look it up.

[Dakuryon]

Nothing inherently. But for some reason, anyone who makes a positive thread seems to have this compulsion to make it either for the purpose of damage control (aka suppressing negative feedback so it doesn't get addressed) or to own the 'haters'. That's why this thread is an example of toxic positivity. (OP literally admitted to this thread being damage control so it's not even speculation to say that it is)



Argumentum ad populum. Look it up.

Exactly. I genuinely love the game too, but I'm allowed to be unhappy with how some quests are bugged to where you can't complete them without either logging off then re-logging, or needing a GM to intervene to fix it. The ARR quest The Gifted is infamous for this (which never got fixed by the way --- an fc member of mine had this happen to him a few days ago).

I seriously hate how condescending some of the people in here are. I'm sick of them wrongfully assuming that they're the only ones who love and enjoy the game and I'm sick of them wrongfully assuming that those of us who have valid criticisms about it are haters when that's rarely the case, if ever. I'm going to be unhappy with the things that are broken esp when said broken things affect the people I care about. Good on those of you who can be blissfully ignorant of such, but I can't. Ignorance isn't the answer to everything, nor does it solve things.

It's BECAUSE of my love for FFXIV that I want the best for it. People don't take that into consideration, and I'm sick of it!

[Renathras]

What’s toxic about their positivity? What’s wrong with occasionally coming to these forums and balance out the negativity of majority of the threads here? No matter who I speak with in the game, no one has felt content draught and is absolutely happy with the state of the game and EW story. It really seems that people dissatisfied with the game are solely on this forum. So I don’t see any harm in sharing a counter opinion, as a forum is not meant to be only for those bashing the game, but everyone.

What about you learn to accept that probably a majority of people playing this game genuinely love it. The echo chamber of crying and negativity that these forums have become is not reflective of the opinions of countless of others.

You're entirely correct. There are just people so salty, they can't fathom that other people aren't, and they want to convert other people to their way of thinking, by hook or by crook. It's like the saying, "Misery loves company", except when the company isn't miserable with them, they try to make people miserable.

Often people doing that try to hide behind "I'm just offering constructive criticism/critique of the game" and "The forum isn't just for positive posts/feedback, how can it ever get better??", but then they attack any one who says anything remotely positive about it, as if the forum was ONLY for negative posts/feedback. Everyone not on board the negativity train gets dogpiled, even if they have critiques themselves, and anyone who dares post positivity gets their thread attacked and derailed, as well as their personal character and motivations questioned and impugned.

I'm not sure why the moderators allow it, since some of it is pretty nasty and goes well beyond "disagreement" and is likely driving people new to the forums away (some have said as much), especially when so many people seemed to come by here while the Reddit was down (on the Reddit, now that it's up, they're openly mocking this place for its toxic negativity).

Clearly, as you say, most players seem to like the game. Some who can't stand it also can't stand others being happy with it. And before any post in reply to this saying "We're just critiquing the game!"; as I said before, if you were "just critiquing the game", you wouldn't be so dead set on shutting down any positive threads or posts and adding positive posters. Those aren't critiques, those are trying to ensure you have an echo chamber.

Tulvi is right, 100%.

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EDIT:

No one outside you guys' circle knows what you are talking about. No one wants to know what you are talking about. And you are definitively off topic. This is not the "personal beef and snipe at each other with random !@%#" thread. Please take it somewhere else and stay on topic here.

TRUTH!