If you want FF XI , then PLAY FF XI!

[Jinko]

^ The regular Final Fantasy player is a much different group to your average ex FF11 player or even an MMO player.

I think SE want to tap into that casual Final Fantasy player base and that's why this game has been very different to 11 in its approach from day one.

Its just like someone else said already, the only people who are going to be attracted to XIV are the same people who were attracted to XI.

I don't think this is true.

Hell the only people attracted to FF are people who have played the FF series. 90% of the people I have met on WoW never even touched a FF game in their life!

Many of the people I talked to in WoW had played Final Fantasy games, most did not like 11 however.

[darkstarpoet1]

The way I see it those 590k are not so different from the 10k that are still playing. The only difference is that the 10k are trying to show support and hoping SE will listen. I'm sure 90% of that 600k will agree on many of the same things.

Its just like someone else said already, the only people who are going to be attracted to XIV are the same people who were attracted to XI. Hell the only people attracted to FF are people who have played the FF series. 90% of the people I have met on WoW never even touched a FF game in their life!

well i'd have to agree with part of this. 98% of the 600k did agree on something. they left the game. you can say whetever you want, but there is nothing you can say that will make me believe you know something that 90% of them will agree on. hell even on the forums most ideas are 50/50 split.

edit: also one of the only reasons i got xiv and have stayed with it this long was because it was not xi.

[Noblewar]

well i'd have to agree with part of this. 98% of the 600k did agree on something. they left the game. you can say whetever you want, but there is nothing you can say that will make me believe you know something that 90% of them will agree on. hell even on the forums most ideas are 50/50 split.

edit: also one of the only reasons i got xiv and have stayed with it this long was because it was not xi.

This game was a fail at launch. Lets see who wants to disagree with that.

[Noblewar]

^ The regular Final Fantasy player is a much different group to your average ex FF11 player or even an MMO player.

I think SE want to tap into that casual Final Fantasy player base and that's why this game has been very different to 11 in its approach from day one.



I don't think this is true.



Many of the people I talked to in WoW had played Final Fantasy games, most did not like 11 however.

The people who tried XI and didnt like it are not going to think XIV is going to be much different. They will say to themselves "I didnt like XI so I probably wont like XIV" with that mentality only thing they are going to look for is negative things to back up their first thoughts. Also did they play from 7+ at least or did they skip a couple and only really play 1 or 2 games and never really beat them?

And yes everyone I've met so far in game has a FF history. If you have met someone who says this is their first FF send them my way because I would love to meet them.

FF attracts FF and few RPG fans just like FPS attract FPS fans.

[Jinko]

The people who tried XI and didnt like it are not going to think XIV is going to be much different. They will say to themselves "I didnt like XI so I probably wont like XIV" with that mentality only thing they are going to look for is negative things to back up their first thoughts. Also did they play from 7+ at least or did they skip a couple and only really play 1 or 2 games and never really beat them?

And yes everyone I've met so far in game has a FF history. If you have met someone who says this is their first FF send them my way because I would love to meet them.

FF attracts FF and few RPG fans just like FPS attract FPS fans.

I think most played 7+ yes, but I don't think it matters if you played the previous games, if you are a FF fan you are a FF fan simple.

I don't think that's true at all either, people who didn't like 11 didn't like it for several reasons, they gave it a try and found it to be convoluted, it was designed with a console in mind and didn't have a good PC interface or controls.

Something which Yoshi-p is really trying to fix in 2.0, its clear every way you look at it that he is trying to expand the player base of this game.

Ignore that all you want but, from a business point of view more players = more money and right now the 10k players this game has (I dunno if that's the real number or even close) is not what they should be basing their decisions on.

[darkstarpoet1]

This game was a fail at launch. Lets see who wants to disagree with that.

not disagreeing with that at all, but what i will disagree with is they are not going to all have the same opinion of why it failed. my opinion is half done systems rushed out due to release dates, some have the opinion they were just too limiting, some are because they wanted more like xi, and some wanted even easier than what it is now. you are not going to get 90% of those people to agree with the correct direction to go. if half of them want xi and half want wow for example you will never get them to agree what to do in any way.

The people who tried XI and didnt like it are not going to think XIV is going to be much different. They will say to themselves "I didnt like XI so I probably wont like XIV" with that mentality only thing they are going to look for is negative things to back up their first thoughts.

you keep using this generalization that is completely false and off base. i played xi and quit within a few weeks because i thought it was very slow paced and i hated auto attack. i purchased this game specifically because it was advertised as being different from xi. even with as bad as people say this game was on release i stayed with it longer than xi. i guess that train of thought says i thought this game was better at release than xi was.

[ThePatriarch]

Ignore that all you want but, from a business point of view more players = more money and right now the 10k players this game has (I dunno if that's the real number or even close) is not what they should be basing their decisions on.

There is some sense in this statement.

While I agree that with such a frail playerbase, you can't exactly base the entire future of the game based on "only" their suggestions.

But at the same time, you can't just simply ignore your loyal followers and not give them anything they are asking for. From a business perspective that would be an almost suicidal financial decision.

How do you expect to draw new players in, when there are reports everywhere showing how, not only has the game been a complete and utter failure thus far, but the fact that they didn't even do their best to cater to their loyal followers cries? This is simply my opinion, yes... but if I saw anything of the sort I would most certainly stray away from said game.

[Enfarious]

^ The regular Final Fantasy player is a much different group to your average ex FF11 player or even an MMO player.

I think SE want to tap into that casual Final Fantasy player base and that's why this game has been very different to 11 in its approach from day one.



I don't think this is true.



Many of the people I talked to in WoW had played Final Fantasy games, most did not like 11 however.

Really I rolled the clock and/or replayed ever FF that I played, got every item, unlocked every spell/ability, cleared all side quests.
And tons of people that did leave still watch the forums, just like when someone leaves, "fill in game", to see if anything new/interesting piques their intrest.

[kazaran]

" did play Final Fantasy XI a while ago, and only for a very short time.. well, not long enough to remember much of it anyway.

"


After sayign that the OP really has no experience in a FF online game to understand that most of the fans of XIV are supporters and fans from XI.

No we do not want the same exact game, but we, which is actually the majority, expect certain similarties that have worked, and have made FFXI and the genere as amazing as it is. THe stories must be as strong and interlocking. Community support must be strong and not fall into a gil for all failure. THe battle system needs to be as fluent and complex as well as even more refined.

Like FFXI, XIV has a logn way to go. A person liek the OP who states " did play Final Fantasy XI a while ago, and only for a very short time.. well, not long enough to remember much of it anyway." Isn't even qualified to compare or understand why the real fans expect certain things. OR remember when XI was new and lacked alot, and has become such a vast game that it takes massive time to get any where. A blance is needed.

Unless you have a level 80-99 character and have completed most of the expansions including Wings of the Godess and sub expansions (like 6 of them in 3 group on XI) You won't have a clue about FF stability, and online play and what isn't workign with XIV.

What we are lucky about is the new heads and a few are from XI so we can look forward to the influence and growth they will bring us.

XI is an amzing MMO, and we want XIV to be the same. Not all the same, but similiar and as strong.

[Rokien]

@ Elexia .. Bleh ! ^^

We are getting Nyzul except this time its called Crystal Tower, sad for you the idea comes from FFIII and not XI /sadpandaface

Hamlet is sounding suspiciously like Campaign which is awesome , because that was good, although It's also sounding different because it involved gathering and crafting classes also, so yes take an idea from 11 by all means but evolve the concept and innovate on the idea.

/good job Yoshi-p

We have no idea anything about the crystal tower, I do hope it's not like Nyzul....

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Crystal-Tower