What is Dark knight for now that War just does everything better?

[Zakuyia]

Not gonna lie op nearly had a stroke reading your title but mainly cause not everyone wants to play Warrior o. o

[Iyrnthota]

The same logic applies. But i'm glad that we can now both see how silly ''Play because you want to play it'' is in a balance discussion.

The same logic applies I suppose if you ignore all context and reason.

[Saraide]

Only by those who can't comprehend what a genre is (unless you're using an overly narrow definition of "gameplay" here).



Thus far, you're the only one here insisting that entire genre must be reduced to a race thing (let alone that liking Berserk must = "weeb"... which, no, does not mean merely a Nipponophile).

Which, if you were right, would historically be an outlier, as French AG hasn't actually been limited to films from France, German Modern Philosophy hasn't been solely from Germany (nor even the lands that would later lie within its borders), "Hong Kong Cinema" has had named influence/inspiration outside of HK or even China, etc., etc. Instead, those terms tend to focus on what traits actually describe the character and qualities of the work itself, with the point of origin for a school of thought/design simply being a tangential shorthand to that. They aren't nearly so uselessly reductive as you would make them out to be.

Yea I would say there is a lot of gameplay difference. Tales of series and FF series are both JRPGs. Call me crazy but the difference between turn based and non-turn based combat is a big one. I rarely hear people consider pokemon a JRPG series but it checks literally all the boxes.
Unless you consider the following as deciding point:

Nah, they can't be JRPGs. Not enough sexualized minors.

This person might be joking but JRPG has been used in a derogatory way by a lot of people (not only for the reason stated here). Which is why it is disliked by jp devs.

Thus far, you're the only one here insisting that entire genre must be reduced to a race thing

I'm saying the term is useless and on top of that infested with racism.

[Ivtrix]

The same logic applies. But i'm glad that we can now both see how silly ''Play because you want to play it'' is in a balance discussion.

A brief review indicates that you don’t play in content where the difference between WAR and DRK matter

[Aword3213]

Maybe SE will never do the balance right and it's their reponsibility to strive for better

But if you're DRK main at heart and contents are still clearable with DRK, you can keep playing it.

If your main job underperform a little is enough to dissuade you, you don't main DRK. You main META jobs.

[RyuDragnier]

A brief review indicates that you don’t play in content where the difference between WAR and DRK matter

Speaking of said content...today's look at the parsing from the first week (up to now) on the Savages. DRK's still the lowest rDPS, and is the 2nd lowest aDPS in all fights except for P12S P1 (where they're #1).

[Simple_Barghest]

They'll buff DRK decently....once they add yet another effect to Shake It Off. My guess is an Expedience-like effect. They can even call it Walk It Off.

nah nah, they'll add the debuff-cleanse aspect back onto it first.

[Ivtrix]

Speaking of said content...today's look at the parsing from the first week (up to now) on the Savages. DRK's still the lowest rDPS, and is the 2nd lowest aDPS in all fights except for P12S P1 (where they're #1).

Tapping into the unholy dark magics, it appears that DRK is 200 dps behind WAR if you look at 75th percentile. That’s a difference of 2.5%. In a tier where world proggers reported having multiple deaths and DD in the final boss and still hit 3% enrage.

Were this abyssos maybe the argument would be a little stronger. But the dps checks this tier are very lenient. I see it as a non issue personally.

[ForteNightshade]

Speaking of said content...today's look at the parsing from the first week (up to now) on the Savages. DRK's still the lowest rDPS, and is the 2nd lowest aDPS in all fights except for P12S P1 (where they're #1).

Dark Knight is in a very awkward balancing spot. It thrives in scenarios where the boss becomes untargetable within one minute windows. Which is why it absolutely dominated both Dragonsong and Omega. Which is why you're seeing it pull ahead in P12S. They're clearly balancing with that in mind... which causes a problem when only P12S has that sort of downtime. Technically, P9S does as well but the timing puts it at a two minute window, so Dark Knight wants to hold resources for buffs instead of going nuts like it can in P12 or Ultimate.

Come 7.0, they need to either reduce the number of oGCDs Dark Knights or figure out a way to balance the other three tanks so this doesn't happen. Otherwise, we're going to see a constantly back and forth.

[Shurrikhan]

Dark Knight is in a very awkward balancing spot. It thrives in scenarios where the boss becomes untargetable within one minute windows.

Is getting less screwed over (due to a simple relative lack of 1-minute amp cycles a la FoF/NM to be awkwardly affected) really "thriving", though?

When the difference between all doing fine and only DRK avoiding being screwed over is DRK being last place or merely competitive at best (since the dps checks are so lenient but DRK's combined mitigation+self-healing still the worst of all tanks by a lot), that hardly seems like "thriving" so much as "occasionally not so badly inferior."