Obvious gil farming, or FC house reselling

[Archeron]

Lets be honest, if you visit the FC wards theres a remarkable number of undecorated small/medium houses owned by FC's with maybe 2 people in them at most. It's obvious what they're using them for, and its not for the enjoyment of owning a house. They're either passively farming gil on their 8x FC houses per world, or holding onto them for resale.

The question is, why isn't it harder for an FC to get a house? Under the current system its harder to farm the gil, rather than unlock the privelege of buying housing on behalf of the FC. At least with personal houses its locked to one per DC, per account.

[Jojoya]

Lets be honest, if you visit the FC wards theres a remarkable number of undecorated small/medium houses owned by FC's with maybe 2 people in them at most. It's obvious what they're using them for, and its not for the enjoyment of owning a house. They're either passively farming gil on their 8x FC houses per world, or holding onto them for resale.

The question is, why isn't it harder for an FC to get a house? Under the current system its harder to farm the gil, rather than unlock the privelege of buying housing on behalf of the FC. At least with personal houses its locked to one per DC, per account.

Because anything done to make it harder to acquire a house by those who abuse the system will make it even harder for legitimate players and FC to get a house.

There is always some way to get around a system and those who are purchasing multiple plots generally have more resources to use.

[Archeron]

Make it harder. If your FC lets say...
Has GC Rank 20 (Easily achievable with multiple people in your FC.)
Has more than 3-4 Unique accounts.
Has existed for the existing 30 day requirement
Has an FC Master who does not have another character, which is currently an FC master of a free company that already owns a house on the data centre.

I don't feel like this would be an unfair requirement whatsoever. The only people who would be upset would be the fake "Solo FC's" that are an excuse for people to own multiple houses or to farm submarines on 8 characters. Very few, if any people are FC masters across multiple data centers.

[Jojoya]

Make it harder. If your FC lets say...
Has GC Rank 20 (Easily achievable with multiple people in your FC.)
Has more than 3-4 Unique accounts.
Has existed for the existing 30 day requirement
Has an FC Master who does not have another character, which is currently an FC master of a free company that already owns a house on the data centre.

I don't feel like this would be an unfair requirement whatsoever. The only people who would be upset would be the fake "Solo FC's" that are an excuse for people to own multiple houses or to farm submarines on 8 characters. Very few, if any people are FC masters across multiple data centers.

Rank 20 easily achievable if you have gil. Not easily achievable for players in small FCs (4-8 players) who don't have gil to waste.

4 unique accounts is only $60/mo. Plenty of players spend more than that each week eating out and don't think twice about it. Someone who wants multiple houses wouldn't think twice about it either.

30 days is not a long period of time. It's not a deterrent.

Your last would be a sticking point but it would also have the potential to cause issues for legitimate FCs that have members that are running FCs on different worlds for different social groups. For all that many players think "gee, it would be great to run my own FC", the majority either aren't good at or don't enjoy running them. That leaves some players in the position of being master for multiple FCs for their various social groups. Even if the number is not large, why should any of those FCs have to give up their house just to have a competent leader?

If you really want the problem to be solved, SE needs to address the reasons why players interact with the housing system as they do. If workshops weren't attached to houses, there would be no reason to buy multiple houses to get more workshops. If every player could get multiple houses, there would be no reason for those who use housing as a prestige flex to buy multiple. If every player could get the location and size of their choice without problem, RMT would find no profit in housing.

[Reinha]

They are not for resale because there are still houses available in fc wards that one can buy directly without paying extra to a reseller.

They are for gil making. And why is that a problem? There are still houses available in fc wards. They aren't taking anything away from anyone if they own an undecorated fc cottage.

Another one of those threads where people use their imagination to be a busybody instead of being creative with their own house.

[Archeron]

They are not for resale because there are still houses available in fc wards that one can buy directly without paying extra to a reseller.

They are for gil making. And why is that a problem? There are still houses available in fc wards. They aren't taking anything away from anyone if they own an undecorated fc cottage.

Another one of those threads where people use their imagination to be a busybody instead of being creative with their own house.

What fantasy world are you living in? Do you seriously think that people aren't laundering Medium/Large houses still? Theres plenty of discord servers actively advertising such sales. Just because houses are still available on some servers. doesn't give them the right to take houses on populated servers that they have zero intentions of using.

Oh and if you're going to throw shade at me, you'd better be willing to put your "imagination" where your mouth is, and show your housing off since you seem so inclined to accuse my projects of not having any.

Rank 20 easily achievable if you have gil. Not easily achievable for players in small FCs (4-8 players) who don't have gil to waste.

4 unique accounts is only $60/mo. Plenty of players spend more than that each week eating out and don't think twice about it. Someone who wants multiple houses wouldn't think twice about it either.

30 days is not a long period of time. It's not a deterrent.

Your last would be a sticking point but it would also have the potential to cause issues for legitimate FCs that have members that are running FCs on different worlds for different social groups. For all that many players think "gee, it would be great to run my own FC", the majority either aren't good at or don't enjoy running them. That leaves some players in the position of being master for multiple FCs for their various social groups. Even if the number is not large, why should any of those FCs have to give up their house just to have a competent leader?

If you really want the problem to be solved, SE needs to address the reasons why players interact with the housing system as they do. If workshops weren't attached to houses, there would be no reason to buy multiple houses to get more workshops. If every player could get multiple houses, there would be no reason for those who use housing as a prestige flex to buy multiple. If every player could get the location and size of their choice without problem, RMT would find no profit in housing.

Just how many people do you know who are masters of multiple FC's? Are they providing adequate leadership to the FC's they are in control of on their alts? It's such a small minority of people that I wouldn't care. Most of the genuine multi FC owners I know own dead FC's just for the house which they do not use. $60/mo is more of a deterrent than $0/mo extra it costs them to have 8x more houses. Most people I know Wouldn't be able to afford that.

Also why does gil have anything to do with FC rank 20? All you have to do is earn company seals. My FC on Maduin achieved rank 20 with 4 people in not even 5 days. Try doing that solo, 8 times over. That would be an absurd grind just so you could buy more houses.

While I do agree that housing should be accessible for the majority of people who desire it, I think it would be an easy measure to place more restrictions on FC's that would make housing easily obtainable by real FC's, and make it far harder for solo FC's to purchase themselves a second house, or to poach mediums/larges for resale.

[Stormpeaks]

OP

- Complains people are making gil out of submarines houses (not every fc house with 2 members is an fc for resale smartypants)

- Doesnt mind flying lalas under all main cities that are botting 24/7

Better hurt the ones doing it the legit way eh ?

With that said

What fantasy world are you living in? Do you seriously think that people aren't laundering Medium/Large houses still?

A very small minority is. An extremely tiny minority, because it's been made so annoying to do, and also new wards opened so there is not much point to it anymore, Dynamis also opened for NA which helped a lot of people get their favorite plots.

Just because houses are still available on some servers. doesn't give them the right to take houses on populated servers that they have zero intentions of using.

Actually, it very much does, any house available is up for grab for anybody that wants it, sorry to break your little bubble. And even more so, if they want to leave the garden fully empty with only an aetheryte cristal, they can.

Also why does gil have anything to do with FC rank 20? All you have to do is earn company seals. My FC on Maduin achieved rank 20 with 4 people in not even 5 days. Try doing that solo, 8 times over. That would be an absurd grind just so you could buy more houses.

Exactly why it shouldnt happen.

While I do agree that housing should be accessible for the majority of people who desire it, I think it would be an easy measure to place more restrictions on FC's that would make housing easily obtainable by real FC's, and make it far harder for solo FC's to purchase themselves a second house, or to poach mediums/larges for resale.

Nah the system is fine.

[Yodada]

Also why does gil have anything to do with FC rank 20? All you have to do is earn company seals. My FC on Maduin achieved rank 20 with 4 people in not even 5 days. Try doing that solo, 8 times over. That would be an absurd grind just so you could buy more houses.

A lot. It only shows that you have no clue what you are talking about if you dont know how to simply buy FC Ranks as a Solo Player. And how easy Rank 20 would be to bypass as a requirement.

[Khryseis_Astra]

They are not for resale because there are still houses available in fc wards that one can buy directly without paying extra to a reseller.

They are for gil making. And why is that a problem? There are still houses available in fc wards. They aren't taking anything away from anyone if they own an undecorated fc cottage.

Just another reason I’d rather all the wards be unrestricted, sooner rather than later. Because there’s a lot of smalls that have gone without bids for months now, but because they’re FC only, people bidding as private buyers who already belong to real FCs can’t bid on them. So they’ll sit there forever - because SE wants legit FCs to be able to get a house - and then someone can come along and create a fake FC and snap it up, telling themselves “it’s ok, no one really wanted it anyway, it was sitting there so long!” So there’s two groups of losers here: the future legit FCs that will find a lack of supply (which is ostensibly the whole reason we have these FC only wards in the first place), and the private buyers who only have a handful of unrestricted plots to bid on each round who are denied access to plots that have seen zero bids for months on end.

If someone is creating an FC just to do sub farming, they’re still taking away a scarce resource, that others very much do want. And I’m sure I’ll hear the argument “if they wanted it bad enough, they could create their own fake FC!” But a good many people are in real FCs, participating in FC content as the game intended. If solo FCs were supposed to be a thing, you wouldn’t need 4 people to create one.

[Archeron]

OP

- Complains people are making gil out of submarines houses (not every fc house with 2 members is an fc for resale smartypants)

- Doesnt mind flying lalas under all main cities that are botting 24/7

Better hurt the ones doing it the legit way eh ?

With that said



A very small minority is. An extremely tiny minority, because it's been made so annoying to do, and also new wards opened so there is not much point to it anymore, Dynamis also opened for NA which helped a lot of people get their favorite plots.



Actually, it very much does, any house available is up for grab for anybody that wants it, sorry to break your little bubble. And even more so, if they want to leave the garden fully empty with only an aetheryte cristal, they can.



Exactly why it shouldnt happen.



Nah the system is fine.

I love you putting words in my mouth as if I don't care about the bots under major cities, but wouldn't be a stormy post if you weren't shoving words in other peoples mouths. I won't even dignifiy the likes of you with a response.