Stuff we have lost each expansion since shadowbringers

[CelestiCer]

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[Gemina]

Lets start off with craftable minions from extremes Stormblood we could craft minions with the extreme materials, Shadowbringers this was taken away from us. Now those minions seem to be relegated to PVP Limited time series see the rubilite minion a shadowbringers trial in endwalker PVP reward.

Next stormblood gave us Eureka and Heaven on high. We only get one of these per expansion now. Shadowbringers was Bozja which replaced Eureka. But no replacement for heaven on high though End walker we got eureka Orthros no replacement for Eureka or bozja.

Hard dungeons removed since shadowbringers. these gave variety to expert roulette. Devs gave some stupid bullshit excuse on why they removed them.

Class quests for every class. Role quests are supposed to be there replacement but role quests dont feel like they add to a class at all. This is a loss of additional lore.

With the trial stories being MSQ we lost yet another story to the game so more additional lore lost.

Allied Beast tribes has been lost W lost a cool cutscene of all the beast tribe coming together to do something cool and an extra reward from them.

6.4 they broke there cycle of craftable ex weapons was hoping for seat of sacrifice or emerald weapon to get a glowy version of there weapons. This did not happen as of writing this.

As of writing this as well. There is no signs of an 8th trial for this expansion. Stormblood we had Gilgamesh and rathalos. Shadowbringers we had Varis. endwalker we have umm nothing so far.

We also have lost the third map dungeon that was added with stormblood and removed with shadowbringers and endwalker.

I know theres more im missing but ill leave this here for you to discuss.

Out of everything you mentioned here, the only thing of significance that has been lost is exploratory zones. Deep dungeon returned in EW, and we also got Variant/Criterion dungeons and Island Sanctuary. How you feel about this content is irrelevant. Disliking the content doesn't erase it from existence or the time and work the dev team put into it.

Devs never gave an excuse as to why HM dungeons went away. Mechanically speaking, they were no different than capped dungeons. Instead of reusing old maps and the name, they come out with entirely new dungeons related to the MSQ.

Class quests have simply run their course. What you have now is more jobs to level should you choose to do so.

8th trial is still coming. They mentioned it.

Allied beast tribes is x.5
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You can continue to cherry pick what's missing all you like. The common denominator is players gripe about lack of content every expansion. If there isn't enough to keep you entertained, then log out and do something else.

[Boblawblah]

Eureka is a chat room with a grind. That's it. If you want to argue that it's more valuable than Island Sanctuary then you better bring something better than 'it's not lasting content'. What was it, 52% of active players haven't even touched Eureka, and 21% of players are in the 1 - 19 elemental level range. Who cares if it's 'lasting content' if almost none of your players are actually doing the content?

[Sebazy]

Honestly just make Criterion Savage drop loot that allows you to augment Savage/aug tome gear, unlocking a third materia slot. This would make a lot more people do it even though it's like a 1% DPS gain at best.

Yarp, people wouldn't be able to resist an extra material slot for sure. If that was too much of a pain, even making it a source of Twines and Oils for a patch before the 24 man would suffice to give it a little more longevity IMO.

It's also a one and done deal for a lot of people. It also wasnt that very well received as the loud minority who advocate for it want to believe it to be; you would noticed that feedback when it came to Eureka Hydatos when they nerfed the zone's size and questing, and especially so with how easy, short and simple Bozja/Zadnor came about. The only really fun ideas that came about it were the raids and in Bozja specifically it's duels and skirmishes.

I don't think the loud minority point is fair tbh. On Ragnarok at least, Sjeros in Gagnos was typically so crowded that you'd be slamming the player count limit within feet around him. I wish I had it in a recording as it was certainly far more crowded than Crit or Deep Dungeons have ever been and I'd argue that it sustained it's mass popularity for longer than the Eureka zones to the point where it even compelled me to upgrade my CPU when I otherwise wouldn't have bothered (3800X to 5800X, went from ~40 to ~90fps at that spot).

Even Limsa at peak hours (Again, on Ragnarok at least) doesn't come close to the player density you'd see around Bozja's zone in for a good month or 2.

Eureka is a chat room with a grind.

Isn't that what MMOs are all about? Island Sanctuary just feels like someone tried to mod Harvest Moon into Quake to me. It's a reasonable collectathon but beyond that it feels painfully crude even alongside something as basic as Harvestella.

[Shurrikhan]

lol nothing was "lost" the resources went elsewhere to different things? Island Sanctuary? Variant/Criterion?

Which can then be net even or even a net bonus but isn't necessarily so.

Let's say you lose your arm and get a million in worker's comp. Did you not, to begin with, lose your arm?

[Avoidy]

lol nothing was "lost" the resources went elsewhere to different things? Island Sanctuary? Variant/Criterion?

What kind of lawyer logic is this, lmao
The things OP listed... were in the game once. And now, we don't get those types of things anymore. Ergo, they're lost.
If you're eating a sandwich and I knock it out of your hand, you'd feel like you just lost a sandwich, right? Not so, according to your logic. After all, the sandwich isn't lost. Its components simply went elsewhere, to different things! Like into the dirt, or into the mouths of ants. No worries. Don't bother mourning the thing you just had in your hand a moment ago, because technically if you examine the laws of thermodynamics, nothing can truly be destroyed, so nothing is really lost. It's simply been moved somewhere else. Into a form that no longer resembles the thing you once enjoyed.

[NekoMataMata]

Eureka is a chat room with a grind. That's it. If you want to argue that it's more valuable than Island Sanctuary then you better bring something better than 'it's not lasting content'. What was it, 52% of active players haven't even touched Eureka, and 21% of players are in the 1 - 19 elemental level range. Who cares if it's 'lasting content' if almost none of your players are actually doing the content?

You could at least quote me if you're going to comment on my posts.

Anyways, comparing Eureka to Island Sanctuary isn't really fair. I mean first off, Island Sanctuary is current content, while Eureka is from SB. Considering things like the growth of the playerbase, and there's already a good reason why Island Sanctuary would have way more players participating. They're also two completely different types of content, with IS being casual non-combat with Eureka being a combat based grind with story, exploration and relic gear all involved.

Also, the idea that not enough players are participating in said content and therefore that type of content shouldn't be made in the future is insane considering that is something that seems to have been done consistently throughout this game's existence. The majority of the playerbase doesn't touch Ex+ content either.

But you likely knew all this, and you simply stated this in bad faith with the intention of getting a gotcha.

[Gemina]

What kind of lawyer logic is this, lmao
The things OP listed... were in the game once. And now, we don't get those types of things anymore. Ergo, they're lost.
If you're eating a sandwich and I knock it out of your hand, you'd feel like you just lost a sandwich, right? Not so, according to your logic. After all, the sandwich isn't lost. Its components simply went elsewhere, to different things! Like into the dirt, or into the mouths of ants. No worries. Don't bother mourning the thing you just had in your hand a moment ago, because technically if you examine the laws of thermodynamics, nothing can truly be destroyed, so nothing is really lost. It's simply been moved somewhere else. Into a form that no longer resembles the thing you once enjoyed.

His logic is more sound than the sandwich analogy you're using. A better example would be if you knocked his strawberry ice cream cone out of his hand, and it is replaced with a chocolate one. An even better one than that is using the entire ice cream shop that has stopped serving several flavors, but have replaced those with newer ones. Some of the customers might not like the newer flavors, and desire that the ice cream shop bring some of those older flavors back. However, this doesn't change that the ice cream shop still has plenty of flavors (content) to partake in.

This is actually pretty common for businesses of all types. Just the other day I went to Wendy's and asked if they were still serving the Bourbon bacon sandwich when I didn't see it on the menu, and they said no. Instead of complaining about it, and going off on a tangent about how that isn't fair; I just ordered the new chicken sandwich they were serving, and it satiated my hunger all the same. I could have also just left if my heart was set on having that particular sandwich.

tl;dr? Deal with it.

[Hanayumi]

Still dunno why folks believe Island Sanc replaced exploration zone, not even same dev groups... DD and variant/criterion dungeons did are more likely. And no mention of them being gone for good either, could just be rotating content around each expansion just to try something new, not always going to work out but at least theyre trying out new content...

[Rychu]

As of writing this as well. There is no signs of an 8th trial for this expansion. Stormblood we had Gilgamesh and rathalos. Shadowbringers we had Varis. endwalker we have umm nothing so far.

I agree with most of these but this one is just wrong. They announced on twitter that Fan Fest will show off a new trial called "The Gilded Araya" which will be added to the game later. This is the same way we got Gilgamesh so this will likely be added in the downtime between 6.5 and 7.0