The Market Board Manipulaters are working overtime I see lol

[Final-Fantasy]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Here I tell you how to make an Unlimited amount of Gil...

Create an FC and run Submersibles to exploit the Salvaged Accessories like everyone is doing and is the sole reason we have people and groups owning entire Wards to make automatic Billions of Gil per month.

You don't need the Market Board anymore.

[Stormpeaks]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Here I tell you how to make an Unlimited amount of Gil...

Create an FC and run Submersibles to exploit the Salvaged Accessories like everyone is doing and is the sole reason we have people and groups owning entire Wards to make automatic Billions of Gil per month.

You don't need the Market Board anymore.

No it isnt, you know some people do it simply because they like housing right ?

[Boblawblah]

No it isnt, you know some people do it simply because they like housing right ?

Sounds like something a bot would say...

[Stormpeaks]

Sounds like something a bot would say...

Yes I am a bot

Beep bop beep bop I am a robot

[Kaurhz]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Here I tell you how to make an Unlimited amount of Gil...

Create an FC and run Submersibles to exploit the Salvaged Accessories like everyone is doing and is the sole reason we have people and groups owning entire Wards to make automatic Billions of Gil per month.
You don't need the Market Board anymore.

I hope they nerf this into the absolute ground. Realistically, they should.

To clarify, I don't think it is the norm of behaviour to the extent of 'everyone' - But the amount of Gil you can generate from server is ridiculous, and most especially for those that do it en-masse.

[Elevin]

I hope they nerf this into the absolute ground. Realistically, they should.

To clarify, I don't think it is the norm of behaviour to the extent of 'everyone' - But the amount of Gil you can generate from server is ridiculous, and most especially for those that do it en-masse.

you don't make billions per month. It's only 15m on average for 4 submarines every 30 days.

[Stormpeaks]

you don't make billions per month. It's only 15m on average for 4 submarines every 30 days.

It's a lot less than that due to heavy RNG, more in between the range of 7.5m to 10m, and that is using the "best" build.

[Kaurhz]

you don't make billions per month. It's only 15m on average for 4 submarines every 30 days.

That is because my response was with respect to someone commenting on owning ward(s) of housing, or at least having access to the equivalent. Now granted, again, I said that this level of behaviour isn't exactly commonplace, however, I will still stand by the fact that it is an absurdly significant amount of server generated Gil, e.g., currency generated by selling at vendor value to an NPC, hence why I have said they should be nerfed or replace with something that focuses more on player exchanges. e.g., Minions/Mounts. Even on an individualistic basis.

I won't attack players for it, as ultimately it's just what the system provides, but I will still disagree with that system, frankly.

[Elevin]

You would need to a few wards of houses to be making billions a month. It also takes like 6 months or more to level the submarines to the required level for the build needed for that farm. The submarines themselves cost like 15-20m each which means 80-100m worth of submarine per FC which means for a whole ward of submarines (30) 2.4 to 3 billion in submarine value. So it will take around a year or more before you start to see a return on investment. (excluding repair materials and fuel)


I frankly don't think they should be nerfed at all. The economy in this game is rubbish since retainer quick ventures destroy the furniture, green gear (for prior patches) and glam market.

How else are you supposed to make money in this game when you are up against bots and saturated markets due to the limited amount of items that sell which don't come from quick ventures? If SE fix all the above, then I won't mind if submarines get nerfed, but as it currently stands, it's a stress free way of making an income as I am not having to compete for a few gil in saturated markets with bots tanking prices due to oversupply and spend half my day undercutting people when I can just login every 2 days to manage submarines.

[Kaurhz]

Let's not pretend that support or even this dev team cares about RMT, it wouldnt be rocket science to auto ban all these flying lalas under all main cities on every world or even people trading high amount of gil on suspicious characters that keep on trading and trading and trading at level 1, fact is that they really dont care about it, it's been happening since forever and actually doubled if not more since the population increase, so if bots are running rampant everywhere without any sort of punishment be it for the one selling or the one buying, why cant a person do submarines to make a few mils a day ?

Also if you believe those numbers they are putting out every 2 weeks about player bans because of RMT, I dont know what to tell you.

I never stated that they did - My statement was that it was an issue that every single game deals with it, as it comes with the territory of an MMO, and under premise I don't think that x should be ignored just because y is a more prolific issue. The issue I have with it is that, whilst there is a component of RNG with attaining the Gil, the amount of Gil you can earn per accessory is still fixed depending on the accessory and/or whether extravagant, as I have stated it's a pretty good enabler of easy-RMT, just due to the fact you never really need to interact with the market in the first place because everything you're selling is at a fixed price on vendor.

Where in my statement did I specify that player bans were because of RMT - I'll wait -- The only statement I made was that it a pretty easy enabler of RMT - Again, due to everything being on a fixed sale price at ludicrous vendor prices. Again, ideally, I just think the focus should be market driven e.g., minions, mounts - Wouldn't even bother me if said minions or mounts were rare and thus highly priced. These 2 components are not the same.

You would need to a few wards of houses to be making billions a month. It also takes like 6 months or more to level the submarines to the required level for the build needed for that farm. The submarines themselves cost like 15-20m each which means 80-100m worth of submarine per FC which means for a whole ward of submarines (30) 2.4 to 3 billion in submarine value. So it will take around a year or more before you start to see a return on investment. (excluding repair materials and fuel)


I frankly don't think they should be nerfed at all. The economy in this game is rubbish since retainer quick ventures destroy the furniture, green gear (for prior patches) and glam market.

How else are you supposed to make money in this game when you are up against bots and saturated markets due to the limited amount of items that sell which don't come from quick ventures? If SE fix all the above, then I won't mind if submarines get nerfed, but as it currently stands, it's a stress free way of making an income as I am not having to compete for a few gil in saturated markets with bots tanking prices due to oversupply and spend half my day undercutting people when I can just login every 2 days to manage submarines.

These costs are drastically reduced by either crafting the materials yourself, which at best doesn't take very long at all unless you're electing to work yourself at snails pace and even the non-gatherable materials for the modified components are only a fraction of the cost. You're paying an additional good 70M Gil, for the expense of, at best, components which are crafted by a few hours effort at best.

You're welcomed to disagree - I am not saying that submarines themselves should be outright nerfed, just that the accessories behind them I think should, and instead just focusing exclusively around tradeable rarities - Minions, mounts, orchestrions etc.,

If you think Gil is difficult to make in this game then you really aren't trying to make Gil in the first place.

At any rate, I don't really see much worth in continuing the conversation seeing as I know precisely how these develop. I'll just take this as we disagree. I don't think submarines should be worthless, but similarly I don't think they should be a Gil printer on vendor.