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    Jojoya Joya
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    It is a little unfortunate if they're having to dumb down the dungeons for the sake of making them workable for trusts.

    I wouldn't mind it if they did total revamps of the fights like with Praetorium but it sounds more like they just kinda...removed mechanics that wouldn't work with trusts.
    Ascian Prime in ARF shows that there are ways to make the fights still feel challenging even if the mechanics aren't as complex. It's far less forgiving now than in the past thanks to the ilvl sync when players could ignore mechanics with a very low risk of dying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Ascian Prime in ARF shows that there are ways to make the fights still feel challenging even if the mechanics aren't as complex. It's far less forgiving now than in the past thanks to the ilvl sync when players could ignore mechanics with a very low risk of dying.
    >ARF
    >challenging

    LMAO ok
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Quote Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon View Post
    >ARF
    >challenging

    LMAO ok

    It is objectively more difficult now than it was before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon View Post
    >ARF
    >challenging

    LMAO ok
    It can be challenging now if a sprout doesn't pick up on the ice and fire mechanic quickly enough. Especially a healer.

    I rather like the new Steps of Faith instance. Pre-revamp it was just people running along with the dragon and mostly even ignoring adds. Now it has phases where you feel like it's a real battle to keep Ishgard safe.

    Haven't tried the new Stormblood dungeons yet except Sirensong. I don't think they changed any mechs in that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Now it has phases where you feel like it's a real battle to keep Ishgard safe.
    ?__?

    What phases? The phases are literally all just hit adds and hit Vishap, and run occasionally?

    This is as boring as old Steps except old Steps you had dragonkillers to play with at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon View Post
    ?__?

    What phases? The phases are literally all just hit adds and hit Vishap, and run occasionally?

    This is as boring as old Steps except old Steps you had dragonkillers to play with at least.
    Not phases in the true sense like what you see in a boss fight. But those points where you get Down for the Count and have to retreat add to the tension and the NPC flavor text makes it feel like you're giving everything you have to stop Vishap from reaching Ishgard. It may not be mechanically challenging but the atmosphere makes it feel like much more of an accomplishment than just 8 people running after a boss. You really feel like you earned that asylum in Ishgard and understand why people feel so strongly toward the Warrior of Light for what they did.
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