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    Quote Originally Posted by R041 View Post
    You say that, but XIV basically is exactly that to the whole FF franchise. It turns all of FF into a Kingdom Hearts timey wimey mashup. It's just not Disney this time, it's itself.

    You don't need a spreadsheet to keep track of everything!? lol
    No? A themepark mmo with callbacks to their franchise is a lot different than KH. And anyway, my post wasn't trying to be like "ur wrong", I guess I forgot to add my /s at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainichan View Post
    No? A themepark mmo with callbacks to their franchise is a lot different than KH. And anyway, my post wasn't trying to be like "ur wrong", I guess I forgot to add my /s at the end.
    That's fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Both rolling over the concerns and opinions of the garleans with 0 mercy and pushing for friendly relations and equal trade agreements are realistic in the sense of this has happened in the real world. Very simplified: end of world war 1 saw massive reperation demands towards germany while end of world war 2 saw the building of a common trade market that has ended a bloody history of inter european war.
    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    It wasn't unrealistic at all. They're already wary of us and think we would behave in exactly that way. Many of them are just waiting for it to happen. The last thing we should do is give truth to that opinion. The gains with Garlemald relations are because everyone has been careful to do everything possible to allow them to retain their agency.
    Both of these opinions couldn’t be more wrong and off the mark for one simply reason. No one is seeking reparations from garlemald or to punish them. That is why informing them why the tower was being used is the realistic thing to do.

    The examples given here have nothing to do with what happened in Garlemald or have similarity to the motivations or reasons that led to the rise of world war 2.
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    . A prime example of this is that I was incapable of feeling any sympathy or worry for the loss of Vrtra's sister because I know we're going to save her, and it took 5 minutes for Zero to say she can be saved as well
    This is by no means a given. Not by a long shot. We dont know yet.

    The Garleans I get. The whole schtick with going into their lands wasn't to invade but help and show that "hey despite all the atrocities you committed against us, we're gonna come in and be nice because we'd prefer to move past all of that assuming you don't try the same crap again" so showing them the mercy they didn't show others was kind of a passive aggressive frick you
    Berlin reconstruction 1945. What you are sneering at, is exactly what happened. I know this for a fact, as back in my school days, a mates grandfather came in and told us what it was like back then, as he had been posted in the British zone for three years. Getting the German people to realise that we were there to help, not to condemn them on masse. The war was over, our job now was to help them get back on their feet , lead them out of that nightmare.

    The Russians were the bloody minded ones, then again after Barbarossa, Im not sure I can blame them.

    but I also just wanted to throw the old rich people into a lake somewhere after seeing how nice they were living compared to the people in Tertium lol


    No one is seeking reparations from garlemald or to punish them.
    In a historical context, you are dead on here. Reparations is what triggered the events that LED to WW2. We created the circumstances that led to an atmosphere ripe for a leather lunged maniac to seize power, promising a "return to greatness".

    Nature abhors a vacuum.

    It took Germany 92 years to pay off that massive bill. The total? About 269 billion marks. Thats 227 billion dollars in AUD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    This is by no means a given. Not by a long shot. We dont know yet.
    You wanna bet? xD Don't worry I'll come and quote you when she is reunited with Vrtra and everyone is happily ever after. However, if she does die, and Vrtra is left heartbroken at the expense of having saved the first from a 13th invasion I will think it's a better story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    You wanna bet? xD Don't worry I'll come and quote you when she is reunited with Vrtra and everyone is happily ever after. However, if she does die, and Vrtra is left heartbroken at the expense of having saved the first from a 13th invasion I will think it's a better story.
    I dont know, Ath. I literally dont know, none of us do. One possible outcome is she CANT leave, and will have to stay on the Thirteenth. Its possible. Go ahead and quote me, i dont really care, but then again Im not going to speculate on content that hasnt even been released yet. Or Vrtra may decide to stay with her. Or she kills Golbez, and they BOTH die, or she goes after Zeromus and helps keep him imprisoned forever.

    My take is we CANT kill Zeromus, what we may wind up doing is ( and this is in another post of mine ) trapping him within the brands, with the Watcher taking over the same role as he had with Zodiark. A guardian. A sentry.

    The MSQ had a few huge surprises, so Im not prepared to say this is what WILL happen. We dont know.

    Its not hard to say that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    Berlin reconstruction 1945. What you are sneering at, is exactly what happened. I know this for a fact, as back in my school days, a mates grandfather came in and told us what it was like back then, as he had been posted in the British zone for three years. Getting the German people to realise that we were there to help, not to condemn them on masse. The war was over, our job now was to help them get back on their feet , lead them out of that nightmare.

    The Russians were the bloody minded ones, then again after Barbarossa, Im not sure I can blame them.



    I'm... not sneering?? Where are you getting that out of my text lmao. And why roll your eyes at my comment about the politicians? No different than the jackass politicians in the real world letting their people rot while they live in luxury, hence my want to drop them* (*not the kids, ftr, I'm not that terrible) in a lake to fend for themselves for a while. I'm American, most of our politicians are old dudes who are out of touch, much like the dude who was all "ew don't touch me you filthy Savage" so for me the correlation is there. He didn't care about anyone else's wellbeing, he only cared about himself while the other one was looking toward the future. Still obviously wasn't sharing their own wealth to the plebs of society, but at least wanted to help rebuild their nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    I dont know, Ath. I literally dont know, none of us do. One possible outcome is she CANT leave, and will have to stay on the Thirteenth. Its possible. Go ahead and quote me, i dont really care, but then again Im not going to speculate on content that hasnt even been released yet. Or Vrtra may decide to stay with her. Or she kills Golbez, and they BOTH die, or she goes after Zeromus and helps keep him imprisoned forever.

    My take is we CANT kill Zeromus, what we may wind up doing is ( and this is in another post of mine ) trapping him within the brands, with the Watcher taking over the same role as he had with Zodiark. A guardian. A sentry.

    The MSQ had a few huge surprises, so Im not prepared to say this is what WILL happen. We dont know.

    Its not hard to say that.
    But we do know Vel. And right after we all head back to the source laughing our butts off and calling it a day a rainbow is going to appear and horde of unicorns will come to personally hand us the winning lottery ticket that we'll use to cure world hunger.

    And then, we are going to use the space ship in old sharlayan to restore every single planet that Metion wrecked because everyone needs to be redeemed. All while the disbanded Scions of the 7th Dawn keep coming back together for "One last ride" just like Vin diesel in the fast series.

    We'll pull a reverse Meteion and kill any negative emotion in the universe instead.
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    Last edited by Ath192; 05-27-2023 at 01:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    disbanded Scions of the 7th Dawn.
    I have issues with the story, but man, yall really need to let this one go, they said in the same text box 'lul, we're not really disbanded'. If you're just exaggerating to express your frustration, I can get, but then don't expect your criticisms to be taken seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    I have issues with the story
    Interesting, what issues do you have with it?
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