What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Carin-Eri]

Heck, you can threaten WoL but not threatening them directly but by threatening something they're trying to protect. People, a place, something needed to unlock something. There's plenty of ways to ratchet up stakes even if they're tough enough to handle almost anyone 1v1.

Are they? I mean, most of the WoL's fights involved being part of a team - usually Adventurers or the Scions. Rarely did they face a foe 1v1 - and one, (in)famous example of when they did was Zenos in 'In Crimson It Began' - and he kicked our ass!

And I certainly got the impression that the WoL wouldn't have beaten the Endsinger 1 on 1 if it had come to that.

[BRVV]

Zenos in 'In Crimson It Began' - and he kicked our ass!

We kicked his ass now though. With our "new" dynamis powers!

Also i don't see why we won't have WoL from the crystal again. If in the future we have to fight alone the writers better make a good explanation as to why. We can summon those crystal WoL, we have a ton of friends and dynamis on our side. Will we ever truly fight alone again? Add the fact that the story is about friendship and i don't think we will have a serious, not a training, fight alone. To dig the hole deeper: if a new antagonist is somehow stronger than us then please explain why we have been told to be the bestest in everything since pretty much the beginning. We also have crystal mommy super powers. Why and how should anyone even be stronger?

[RyuDragnier]

We kicked his ass now though. With our "new" dynamis powers!

Oh honey, we kicked his ass in Ala Mhigo without them, AND kicked his ass while he was possessing Shinryu.

[BRVV]

Oh honey, we kicked his ass in Ala Mhigo without them, AND kicked his ass while he was possessing Shinryu.

Well at least we lost twice before! With NPCs dieing and us winning in the end because... we leveled up enough. Screw strategy!

[Xirean]

Are they? I mean, most of the WoL's fights involved being part of a team - usually Adventurers or the Scions. Rarely did they face a foe 1v1 - and one, (in)famous example of when they did was Zenos in 'In Crimson It Began' - and he kicked our ass!

And I certainly got the impression that the WoL wouldn't have beaten the Endsinger 1 on 1 if it had come to that.

Agreed. I don't really get why people go on with takes like what you responded to. We even have a macguffin summon item explicitly to prevent doing things alone ever again.

We kicked his ass now though. With our "new" dynamis powers!

Also i don't see why we won't have WoL from the crystal again. If in the future we have to fight alone the writers better make a good explanation as to why. We can summon those crystal WoL, we have a ton of friends and dynamis on our side.

We don't always have dynamis power as strong as it was in Ultima Thule. That was a special place with it's own laws of reality which even Zenos was bound by. We're not going to have that level of dynamis strength unless we go into another area filled with/composed of the stuff.

[Dikatis]

Are they? I mean, most of the WoL's fights involved being part of a team - usually Adventurers or the Scions. Rarely did they face a foe 1v1 - and one, (in)famous example of when they did was Zenos in 'In Crimson It Began' - and he kicked our ass!

And I certainly got the impression that the WoL wouldn't have beaten the Endsinger 1 on 1 if it had come to that.

Well, yeah. I did say almost anyone. And they're happy to fight alongside others and call-in backup if needed. It just means that WoL isn't invincible and is willing to rely on others to help them. Which only supports my point that "There's no stakes after we beat the Endsinger" is just silly.

[BRVV]

"There's no stakes after we beat the Endsinger" is just silly.

Ever heard of vertical progression? Guess you will be thrilled to fight a random bandit after we defeated the devil, god mommy and entropy.

[Dikatis]

Ever heard of vertical progression? Guess you will be thrilled to fight a random bandit after we defeated the devil, god mommy and entropy.

I mean, WoL will be fighting random bandits every now and then because that's their job as an adventurer. And if they're careless they can be stabbed from behind. They've been caught off guard before and have suffered for it (see Fandaniel's kidnapping or being unable to save Ahewann because they were too busy fighting other Terminus Beasts).

Look at Aymeric. He survived a battle with one of Hraesvelgr's strongest children but nearly got done-in by a random civilian with a knife.