Dark Knight dungeon survivability suggestion

[Zairava]

Having played warrior this tier I got a better feel for it's kit and there is no "insane" healing.
Warrior excells at dealing with big single hits, but put it in a situation where you have even just consistent medium incoming damage and it's suddenly not much better than the other tanks.

Bloodwhetting's single target healing isn't actually all that impressive when you consider the lower mitigation it provides and the DoT busters invalidating most of it while also making ToB less effective than previous tiers.

Which is ultimately why I'm mostly indifferent about whether Bloodwhetting keeps it being per target or one heal per gcd. I do think Tanks should be capable of surviving on their own...for a time. We shouldn't be able to solo bosses in dungeons imo (even if it is a feel-good). Which is why, for all my complaints about DRK, how it is defensively isn't one of them. If we get sustain, I'd like it to be something light (and there are numerous ways to accomplish that).

[Absurdity]

We shouldn't be able to solo bosses in dungeons imo (even if it is a feel-good).

You could solo dungeon bosses on all tanks long before Endwalker.

In HW you had Bloodbath for all tanks, DA+Abyssal Drain (the non garbage version), Clemency and in tank stance Warrior had Equilibrium's healing and Inner Beast (which gave you 20% DR for 6 seconds and healed for 100% of the damage dealt).

In Stormblood it stayed pretty much the same but in 4.2 Warrior could now spam Inner Beast during IR to basically heal itself to full and Dark Knight's Sole Survivor was changed to provide healing even if the target didn't die.

Shadowbringers is where Dark Knight got the short end of the stick with Abyssal Drain being turned into a joke and Sole Survivor being removed completely, while Warrior got access to Nascent Flash which healed even more than it does now provided you knew how to do damage.

Which is why I honestly couldn't care less about tanks being able to solo dungeon bosses, it just takes a bit less effort now than in previous expansions, it's absolute faceroll content anyway.


What does need looking at imo is the overtuned party support.
Because while Warrior's selfhealing isn't all that impressive in content where it actually matters, the ability to provide that healing to your healers and dps, who already take no consistent damage, has a much bigger impact and unlike Paladin, Gunbreaker or Dark Knight you can provide that at barely any cost to yourself.

[Oizen]

What does need looking at imo is the overtuned party support.
Because while Warrior's selfhealing isn't all that impressive in content where it actually matters, the ability to provide that healing to your healers and dps, who already take no consistent damage, has a much bigger impact and unlike Paladin, Gunbreaker or Dark Knight you can provide that at barely any cost to yourself.

Ok but have you actually read Nascent flash.

Because in terms of overtuned party support, its wayyyyyyyy more impactful than TBN or Intervention.

[Absurdity]

Ok but have you actually read Nascent flash.

Because in terms of overtuned party support, its wayyyyyyyy more impactful than TBN or Intervention.

What does need looking at imo is the overtuned party support.
Because while Warrior's selfhealing isn't all that impressive in content where it actually matters, the ability to provide that healing to your healers and dps, who already take no consistent damage, has a much bigger impact and unlike Paladin, Gunbreaker or Dark Knight you can provide that at barely any cost to yourself.

Read what I said again...slowly.

[ed3891]

You could solo dungeon bosses on all tanks long before Endwalker.

In HW you had Bloodbath for all tanks, DA+Abyssal Drain (the non garbage version), Clemency and in tank stance Warrior had Equilibrium's healing and Inner Beast (which gave you 20% DR for 6 seconds and healed for 100% of the damage dealt).

In Stormblood it stayed pretty much the same but in 4.2 Warrior could now spam Inner Beast during IR to basically heal itself to full and Dark Knight's Sole Survivor was changed to provide healing even if the target didn't die.

Shadowbringers is where Dark Knight got the short end of the stick with Abyssal Drain being turned into a joke and Sole Survivor being removed completely, while Warrior got access to Nascent Flash which healed even more than it does now provided you knew how to do damage.

Which is why I honestly couldn't care less about tanks being able to solo dungeon bosses, it just takes a bit less effort now than in previous expansions, it's absolute faceroll content anyway.


What does need looking at imo is the overtuned party support.
Because while Warrior's selfhealing isn't all that impressive in content where it actually matters, the ability to provide that healing to your healers and dps, who already take no consistent damage, has a much bigger impact and unlike Paladin, Gunbreaker or Dark Knight you can provide that at barely any cost to yourself.

I came here to say exactly this. People complaining about tank survivability/self-sustain in the easiest, lowest-tier content the game has on offer either have the memory of a goldfish, or don't bother to touch anything more difficult than a story trial fight. Any tank with a skilled player at the helm can make up the difference against a dungeon boss when the healer goes down, and frankly, I would rather have that option on the table instead of a daily roulette run taking in excess of 30-40m (or worse, ending in failure) because the guy who queued on the other critical light party role isn't up to snuff.

There are entirely too many people running around in basic level 90 content with questionable competency, and I'm glad that job design in other areas, even if it's tuned specifically to handle high-end, covers these short-comings.

[Magikazam]

I came here to say exactly this. People complaining about tank survivability/self-sustain in the easiest, lowest-tier content the game has on offer either have the memory of a goldfish, or don't bother to touch anything more difficult than a story trial fight. Any tank with a skilled player at the helm can make up the difference against a dungeon boss when the healer goes down, and frankly, I would rather have that option on the table instead of a daily roulette run taking in excess of 30-40m (or worse, ending in failure) because the guy who queued on the other critical light party role isn't up to snuff.

There are entirely too many people running around in basic level 90 content with questionable competency, and I'm glad that job design in other areas, even if it's tuned specifically to handle high-end, covers these short-comings.

The double standard is amazing, isn't it? It fine if a role is useless as long as it not yours.