A comparison of combat content in Endwalker.

[R041]

No thanks, I really liked the criterion dungeons. They just need to figure out the reward structure for it. Something I don't expect to change much till the next expansion.

Don't you worry buddy, they'll neglect it or drop it entirely. Always have, always will.

Something new and shiny will come along, for them to copy it into a new XIV queued instance without actually understanding why it worked in other games. Believe it.



Edit: Also, there's no way they're going to make new content that can pull us away from the roulette treadmill for too long. It's a design flaw AND the success of XIV. It is both the core problem, and the reason MSQ survives today.
The treadmill must be fed, so that means we can't have meaningful casual open world or non-roulette content. Roulette must always be more lucrative to feed the Free Trial.

These side-content dungeons are most likely designed to only last 1-2 days so you go right back to the treadmill.

[Atelier-Bagur]

The problem isnt the quality. Its the current replayability of it. If the EW relic steps were somehow tied to variant and eureka orthos then we wouldnt have much of an issue

[R041]

The problem isnt the quality. Its the current replayability of it. If the EW relic steps were somehow tied to variant and eureka orthos then we wouldnt have much of an issue

It's a bit of both tbh. People say it's just the rewards, but I can guarantee you it'd get pretty old after even a week. Where POTD, Eureka, Bozja are pretty long-term as far as challenges go because they're relatively random.

With Variant, you're basically fighting the same what.. 2-3 bosses? Over and over. Mobs are no different than a normal dun, they definitely still suck.

[4clubbedace]

It's a bit of both tbh. People say it's just the rewards, but I can guarantee you it'd get pretty old after even a week. Where POTD, Eureka, Bozja are pretty long-term as far as challenges go because they're relatively random.

With Variant, you're basically fighting the same what.. 2-3 bosses? Over and over. Mobs are no different than a normal dun, they definitely still suck.

criterion is absolutely more involved than variant for sure,
but the issue with criterion is that it allows bis, meaning that PF parties will expect higher ilevel for it

if you arnt a raider who finishes the raids early, then, due to the shit ass reward structure for an otherwise enjoyable dungeon. youre kinda SOL unless you make your own team

[Derio]

The problem is quality on both content and rewards. Bozja had great rewards- mounts, hairstyles, emotes, orchestron rolls, dyes, gear styles, achievements and titles. Criterion barely has a 3rd of that. Granted we cant judge criterion too harshly because there are still 2 more to be released.

The sad thing is people wanted high end dungeon content, but its almost like the devs want it to fail with these crappy rewards.

[Deo14]

You won't solve problems with V&C rewards by just slapping more mounts, hairstyles, emotes, scrolls and whatnot to a vendor. That will just make it die in 2 weeks instead of 1. We need actual progression systems on top of these things. Things like logos and lost actions, that are always valuable since you can sell them. Relics are no brainer, currents steps should already be tied to the first dungeon, with tomes as an alternative. Savage versions should at the very least drop upgrade mats.

I really hope next V&C won't bring just extra glam set, mount, and more materia.

[EliaStormblade]

If nothing else, I can appreciate the objective look at the quantity of content in Endwalker vs Shadowbringers, OP.

[hunkygladiator]

Deep Dungeon 31+ floors ... you have to form parties to do them.

Skill issue.

Once and Future King or bust.

[hunkygladiator]

The problem isnt the quality. Its the current replayability of it. If the EW relic steps were somehow tied to variant and eureka orthos then we wouldnt have much of an issue

>Eureka Orthos
>quality

Is that why Lethargy causes Unholy to one shot you with no wind-up

Rofl

[Rolder50]

To reiterate: Lockouts are a universal part of MMO gameplay. its an industry standard.

I'd like to point out that one of the most popular features in WoW, Mythic Plus, does not have a gear lockout. You can spam those dungeons as many times as you want in a week if you're looking for a specific trinket or whatnot.