Why this Live Letter Matters

[Myrany]

I suspect the whole issue comes down to what an individual wants as content. If the amount of that content an individual wants to do is reduced then that individual will see it as a "crap update." For a different person the patch might be just fine as they are busy doing other things that they find valuable (whatever it might be).

I would not be the least bit surprised if SE and CB3 have detailed statistics on how many characters engage with which content and for exactly how long. They would be stupid not to collect and analyze that data. Then use it to plan future content.

Given that I would say that someone who is dissatisfied with the amount of content they want to play should do is engage more with that content and get everyone you can find engaged with that content. The idea being to drive up the numbers and thereby get the company to look at adding more in the future. That will take work but it could be done if there are enough people actively doing it. Just remember that the content is planned and work begun a couple of years before it is released so we are getting content now that was begun a couple of years ago.

If unwilling to play that sort of long game then yes the best option is to vote with your wallet and find something else to play.

Like any company its all stats driven, be it player engagement or money coming in. When the stats shift you will see changes.

As for YoshiP telling us to play other things. I for one like that I don't have to devote 2-6 hours a day every day to this game. I can play other games or spend time in real life without really missing out on anything I care about. I find that refreshing and it keeps me from burning out on the game.

[aveyond-dreams]

A post from one of the subreddits:

I don't think there's a problem with the philosophy of "play other stuff when you're done with FFXIV", at all. But it does exacerbate other issues with the game.

For clarity: The direct effect of the "play other games" philosophy is that A) there is no tangible benefit to gearing up in the current content cycle that isn't reset (by crafted gear, etc) before the next content cycle starts, B) there is little to no randomization in the gearing system, such that you can know almost exactly how many weeks it will take to be "done", and C) there is no tangible benefit to continuing to play within a content cycle once you already have BiS (no super-rare RNG-gated gear, relics are never relevant until x.5+, no special materia that costs weekly-capped tomestones to power you up past BiS, etc). Changing that philosophy would involve changing one of those three things, or enacting a similar change.

The problem, though, boils down to two things:

First, FFXIV is not designed, first and foremost, to be fun. Contrast this to games like Destiny 2, or Guild Wars 2, or even FFXI, and the difference is obvious: Even if you have nothing "to do" in those games for progression, they are designed to be fun. Running around the Cosmodrome shooting Dregs feels good, even if it's pointless and won't keep you busy for very long. Ditto for just running around getting into random, pointless fights in GW2, and ditto for doing any of the content in FFXI that doesn't expressly serve the purpose of gearing you up for later endgame. Within their respective genres and subgenres, those games are all designed to feel good and to exercise your ability to play and to improve. FFXIV is not designed this way. FFXIV is designed, first and foremost, to be functional.

The function of FFXIV's core gameplay, as far as the developers are concerned, is to make it very easy and very predictable for them to design raid encounters. The developers never need to take a hard look at the content and wonder what players will be able to achieve inside of it, whether they're asking too much or too little. There is almost zero room for the designers to make a mistake, so long as they colour inside the lines. Notice that a piddly 1% nerf to P8S was suddenly a big deal for them and for the community - it's because that's not supposed to be possible. Everything is supposed to be so locked-down and predictable that they never overshoot or undershoot by even 1%. They're supposed to only ever look forward and work on the next patch, or on some pre-approved overhaul like the Duty Support redesigns. They're never supposed to have to go back and make any changes to recent, existing patches. The function of FFXIV's core gameplay, for the developers, is to protect the sanctity of their production pipeline and schedule.

For FFXIV's players, the fun is meant to come entirely from the content. You're supposed to have FATE-style fun while doing FATES, you're supposed to have Dungeon-style fun while doing Dungeons, you're supposed to have Normal Mode Raid fun while doing normal modes, Savage Raid fun while doing Savage, Ultimate fun while doing Ultimate. There is not supposed to be crossover where you just enjoy playing your class in a way that is fundamentally identical across any level of content. Classes are designed to be functional in a way that facilitates having Dungeon fun in dungeons, Savage fun in Savage, etc.

This is intentional and has been an ongoing aspect of the game for years. SE have been working toward this since Stormblood, and they largely achieved those goals with Shadowbringers.

Second is an Endwalker-specific problem, which is that SE have just made extremely poor decisions about what content to include (and not include) in this expansion.

Despite being a pretty formulaic game, the exact content released in each expansion so far has been a little different. Shadowbringers didn't have a Deep Dungeon at all, Heavensward put more effort into its Deep Dungeon and less into its Exploration zone and Stormblood was the opposite, etc. But they've always done a decent job at striking a balance between different types of "non-core" content: There's always been super-challenging stuff (Savage SCoB, Gordias/Midas, Ultimates in subsequent expansions), there's always been longform grind content (usually the Relic), there's always been stuff aimed at people who want non-combat content (HW tried to make Specialists a thing, StB had the Doman Enclave, etc), and there's always been attempts to push the game a little in terms of injecting a little more fun and a little more sandbox into the game (HW centering it with complex class design, Eureka Logograms, Bozja Lost Actions).

The only thing they've arguably gotten right in Endwalker is the top-end stuff, putting out two Ultimates.

There's no longform relic grind for people who want that

There's no attempt to provide interesting sandboxed gameplay for people who liked Logograms/Lost Actions

The non-combat side of things is obscenely overbudgeted with Island Sanctuary; it seems like the Exploration zone budget was cannibalized to make a glorified 2008 Facebook game

It's not a production bandwidth issue like the crunch in ARR/HW or Covid hitting ShB, either; the actual level of production in Endwalker seems to be humming along at Stormblood speeds. The problem is that they've invested a ton of it into making unrepeatable, one-off side story content like whatever all that Tataru stuff is, and into Variant/Criterion dungeons, which have clearly had a lot of work put into them but have pretty much zero legs in terms of replayability and don't really distinguish themselves from the game's regular "core" content.

Add those together, and the outlook is really bleak for a lot of people who have otherwise always had good reasons to log on. Lots of people stayed attached to the game through having relic content to grind though; that's gone. I used to log on just to run dungeons in HW and Stormblood; that was gone in Shadowbringers but at least by the end I had Bozja to do where I could play around with Lost Actions and doing weird off-role things - now there's neither.

"Take a break from the game when you're done with it" is good. But the assumption is that you're not going to be "done with it" for at least a few weeks - and in Endwalker, I'm seeing (and experiencing) lots of cases where we're hitting that point after half a day, despite wanting to have a reason to keep playing.

[Deo14]

I like how you guys still keep dividing everyone into 2 groups - those who think they'll get burned out if they play for more than hour a week and the other group, the people who supposedly want to play 12 hours a day and want to have content for entirety of it, without any breaks (which supposedly I'm part of, without me even knowing). There is nothing in between for you.

Just give us content with some longevity, something that will not die in a week and something fitting for MMORPG, not some one and done content, which fits single player games. The whole FOMO concerns were so bad that we've come full circle - if you don't do V&C or EO, you don't really lose some kind of progression and fall behind, but you do however lose a good chance at doing said content, since nobody runs V&C or EO anymore. If you didn't play at it's release, you have lost chance at doing it. Devs tried so hard to distance the game from FOMO, that they've unknowingly created different kind of FOMO.

[Stormpeaks]

I like how you guys still keep dividing everyone into 2 groups - those who think they'll get burned out if they play for more than hour a week and the other group, the people who supposedly want to play 12 hours a day and want to have content for entirety of it, without any breaks (which supposedly I'm part of, without me even knowing). There is nothing in between for you.

Just give us content with some longevity, something that will not die in a week and something fitting for MMORPG, not some one and done content, which fits single player games. The whole FOMO concerns were so bad that we've come full circle - if you don't do V&C or EO, you don't really lose some kind of progression and fall behind, but you do however lose a good chance at doing said content, since nobody runs V&C or EO anymore. If you didn't play at it's release, you have lost chance at doing it. Devs tried so hard to distance the game from FOMO, that they've unknowingly created different kind of FOMO.

Nah, either it's a 24/7 game, or a 10 minutes a week game, cant be a middle ground apparently, that'd be illegal, either no content or huge chunks of content that you are 100% """forced""" to do

lmao

/s

[Atelier-Bagur]

A post from one of the subreddits:

You know, its real telling when a random reddit post can word all of this criticism and make it so sound, unlike you who just takes the piss out of things, disguising as critiques.

Im still in the belief that the content we have is fine in EW and if we're going to judg their design decisions, the fact that they're breaking away from the usual content formula set with Heavensward is telling that they're still taking risks; Island Sanctuary is getting better with each patch, Variant dungeons is a fun idea and the execution of mixing in extra lore with lite dungeon crawling feels good to do. The problem isnt the content. The problem is that these systems arent used to keep the current patch mildly busy.

However I'm also in the mindset that the content provided in previous expansions like grinds and exploratory zones WERE NOT GOOD. If you take away the padding with the boring grinds, you'd finish the content just as quickly as what we've gotten in EW. I think people really need to accept that long repeatable grinds isnt "fun". What we need is variable forms of content that contribute to progression. The Shb relic were doing this nicely in some steps but also went overboard with padding out repeatable raid and dungeon spams for the grinds which isnt necessarily "fun" to do.

This is a thing that FFXIV sadly never did properly (emphasis on properly), nor do I think they'll ever do. Like the reddit poster said, they stick to a working formula and it works. Which is why the philosophy "play other games" is such a hard pill to swallow to some folk who want to make FFXIV be their sole game. Nobody benefits from playing a single game in the long-term. I do get the frustration though, since I also have my own personal gripes with this game and some of the wasted potential, but its also a thing to see from perspective that what works in FFXIV, it works extremely well and the game for the most part sticks to the design choices that work for the general community, while continually improving on said choices.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Also me playing World of Warcraft Dragonflight's endgame actually opened my eyes into both how well and how bad progression content should be. They have so many ways in order for you to gear up that its insane. From crafting, to doing harder dungeon runs. To doing weekly quests to doing rep grinds. To doing world events and bosses to doing raids. These systems (while bloated to be honest) bring so much variety into how you want to play the game. Although like I said, these systems are also very bloated and hard to follow to some players, and its telling from the conversations I see of people playing WoW that it's just not enough retention for them to stick with the game for long.

So many of these players rather play a recreation of a decade old version of this video game rather than the amount of content presented in this expansion because its too much. There's a reason back in SB and ShB that the majority of players disliked the exploratory zones because of the boring grinds. Why advocate to bring back these systems without doing something better for them? The grinds in classic WoW were fun because the simple journey to doing its questing, exploration and dungeon content was varied and meaningful so the grind wasnt boring, unlike the simple yet stale journey of Eureka and Bozja of just spamming the same style of activity in boring limiting zones for progression.

Anyway I think what would be good for FFXIV with this example is to seek a middle ground with having varied systems for progression that arent just...roulettes and raids, but dont overdo it like WoW where long term players get sick of the grinds.

[VelKallor]

Just one question:

Did you write this?

[CidHeiral]

You want me back?

All while I have to tolerate people who blast me for calling for a return to form.

Yeah they were totally blasting you for that and not "female characters shouldn't be allowed to have a personality if I don't think they're hot" and "I'm mad about hamburgers!"

[Kes13a]

this is patently false, and throws things into incorrect territory "It's not a production bandwidth issue like the crunch in ARR/HW or Covid hitting ShB, either;"

Shb released July 2019, 5 months prior to COVID starting to affect work environment. Shb would have had its roadmap pretty firmly baked by then. Does Endwalker have issues, certainly, but how much of that is due to altered work environments, sick time, aspects needing to be cut or removed to make deadlines because of changed situations... we do not know. I am not about to make excuses for SE, but I know in most people experience, it was fairly world changing in terms of scale. This would have been happening to Endwalker development, as it was, it forced the release to be pushed back.

the next expansion? I am willing to wait and see if they manage to pick things up again. Endwalker I am willing to attribute to long covid....and will only forget it if 7.0 is back to form, not a continuation...

[VelKallor]

, this was our main game/home base.

And thats your mistake. Right there. I have a library of other games I play regularly, which helps keep me fresh and interested. Maybe you do need a break, your sense of perspective definitely needs work.

Or start your OWN MMO with all these ideas on what should be done.

like the infamous April 1st 2022 live letter when earless Hrothgars were unveiled

Did the intent of April 1st fly right over your head?