The Purpose of the Healer Role Subforum

[ForsakenRoe]

While I enjoyed the expression 'folded like yesterdays laundry', I find it hard to believe he was farming likes anywhere, I think the highest liked post I've seen from him is like, a 4

[ty_taurus]

While I enjoyed the expression 'folded like yesterdays laundry', I find it hard to believe he was farming likes anywhere, I think the highest liked post I've seen from him is like, a 4

A broken clock is right twice a day, as they say.

[Zeastria]

Healer forums are filled with: hate and entitlement.
It's impossible to have a genuine discussion here,
because people think discussion is all about winning.

[Renathras]

Yes, I use the threads because they are also posts made by the players and its a more neutral way to showcase that the "99%" is plain false, you could in fact open almost any thread in the healer forum and you'll find much more on topic arguments that things out of topic (which usually happen because misinformation)

Now I repeat my question, where is that 99% of out of topic posts?

Riiiight.

The posts IN the threads.

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So you know, I have no ulterior motive with this post. I just found it kind of amusing how most topics often don't seem to actually suit it, nor do many posts within them. "dream Job changes" are arguably NOT part of it, nor are class ideas from other games or similar things. Nor are quite a few other things. I just found it kind of amusing is all. That and it's pretty highly likely mods don't ever come in here.

Lil bro really got tired of farming likes on general discussion and came back to the healer forums to continue getting folded like yesterday's laundry.

Wild.

lol, you guys are obsessed with likes, aren't ya?

It'd be funny if you guys actually were "folding" anyone. All you've done, collectively, is prove what people say about this subforum correct. And instead of having the wherewithal to realize that, you smugly take dogpiling on people as a point of pride rather than rightly being ashamed of it. Which is even more sad by the fact you don't even succeed at it except in your own minds...

While I enjoyed the expression 'folded like yesterdays laundry', I find it hard to believe he was farming likes anywhere, I think the highest liked post I've seen from him is like, a 4

As I've said before, internet Likes are the worst metric possible to judge whether something is valuable or correct or not. I wouldn't bother farming the things considering I believe they're worthless. Though so you know, more than 4. (My drawing of Zero as a Hecteye got at least that, lol)

Healer forums are filled with: hate and entitlement.
It's impossible to have a genuine discussion here,
because people think discussion is all about winning.

Exactly right.

Though I think if more people like you were in here, it might change. It just takes a wave of non-toxic people to actually come in together and stick around. The problem is, non-toxic people only seem to come in 1s or 2s to this area, so they can get ganged up on and run off before they can collect. Then the denizens here throw a victory party about how they're the majority here - because of course they are, when they run everyone else off. XD

Discussions are great, though. If you've any ideas or contributions to them here, feel free to throw in. Who knows, maybe you can be what breaks the toxicity. Never know, anyway. /shrug

[WaxSw]

"dream Job changes" are arguably NOT part of it, nor are class ideas from other games or similar things. Nor are quite a few other things. I just found it kind of amusing is all. That and it's pretty highly likely mods don't ever come in here.

They are tough, quoting the game itself again

Those "dream job changes" fall under suggestions, same with ideas from other games etc.

What are those few things you talk about tough? Because they must be many if they are 99% of the posts

[GrimGale]

I believe it is time to stop replying.

[Sebazy]

SE kind of set the bar themselves when the EN forum reps started banning theorycrafters from here circa late ARR to early HW.

[Osmond]

Kind of want ppl to not think crazy on the idea that healers need to go over the top of what abilities should be in the game because 90% chance the devs will not take it seriously. So you just have pages of nonsense that ends up in 1k paragraphs a post. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

Was expecting just stick to the abilities at hand and just slight improvements that the devs can logically get by. Nope, that wasn’t the case. So…….I mean, it gotten nowhere very quick.

[Renathras]

Kind of want ppl to not think crazy on the idea that healers need to go over the top of what abilities should be in the game because 90% chance the devs will not take it seriously. So you just have pages of nonsense that ends up in 1k paragraphs a post. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

Was expecting just stick to the abilities at hand and just slight improvements that the devs can logically get by. Nope, that wasn’t the case. So…….I mean, it gotten nowhere very quick.

More or less this.

They aren't discussions of the role, and they aren't discussions of tactics (the two things for this forum). Note that this picture:

Is not posted in this subforum.

Indeed, even note what it says itself:

"...can be posted on the official FFXIV General Discussion forums."

Note that it does not say "Healer Role forum". (We're splitting hairs now, mind you, but if that's what you're going to hang your hat on: You can't.)

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In the end, many of the discussions here aren't feedback. A lot are back and forths between people who like Healers and those who do not, suggestions for completely upending the role itself (rather than discussions of the role), wild ideas for completely changing the role from what it is (which isn't really "feedback" in many of the cases), and attacking anyone who doesn't share a negative view for the current state of healers, who promotes or provides positive feedback on the current state of healers, or who makes their own suggestions on Healer Jobs that are "too small" (to those seeking big changes) or positive feedback/support for the current status quo.

[Tigore]

Observing some posts myself, a lot of the healer ideas do sound good in their own way. Although, there are a couple problems I am seeing so far. We probably have too many ideas that take every class into different directions. We need to present a more unified template of ideas so it can actually become a reality. So far, I have only noticed a survey generally asking for more DPS buttons being confirmed. We also have posts that say simply adding back single buttons like Aero 3 and Shadowflare isn't good enough ... However, I only noticed enough survey data to believe that fulfills adding more DPS buttons >.> Perhaps our next step should be to have survey votes on which template of healing and DPS we should choose for each. It's a long shot, but that looks like the next step.

As for the like metric, I find there to be a few reasons. Some of my experience is from the WoW forums, so there might be some variance in other areas.

- Faction War Votes. It is more unlikely for someone to upvote a post if it was made by someone they don't like regardless of it being true or false. The arguments can get so heated that some neutral parties may be forcefully dragged into one side with cherry-picked words triggering someone.
- The post is very brief. When a lot of points are discussed, a post may have half agreement and half disagreement. The readers also have different degrees of patience compared to others. If there is literally one sentence, it is much easier to agree or disagree with the point. Sometimes this is a shame since we occasionally need more detailed points to support the post with facts.
- The post made the reader laugh. Humor is long sought after for the forums since we only have so much time in our day to read. It sometimes becomes a form of entertainment if we enjoy enough humor from it.