The Last Resort for Housing and Hoarders

[Jojoya]

Yes. I don't want to leave my friends, FC, EB and decade of community interaction for a feature that should be baseline.

Image macro reaction all you want. You're still a toxic poster who reeks of "I got mine just move to a dead server where you have no friends and Duty finder takes 30+ min."

You wouldn't be leaving them. You would simply be moving out of town and commuting. The FC that this character is in has a lot of cross data center friends that frequently come join us for treasure map parties and savage mount farming.

The only inconvenience is the lack of instant access to retainers if you're in the habit of checking them constantly. In which case it's 1-2 minutes to travel back home and check them then 2-3 minutes to travel back to Balmung (or you can pick one of the other Crystal worlds for slightly faster travel time then use world visit to get on Balmung).

Don't fall for the Sub RMTers tricks and excuses, and don't transfer to Dynamis if you don't want to you lose access to, you also lose many vital features when you visit other datacenters, keep trying and keep asking for changes, subs should be available to all on the Island (after a nerf to salvage) and fc selling should be stomped by stricter rules or active moderation.

Is that you, CatStarwind?

I'm not running any sub farms. I've got a single FC with house that i use as a getaway for my alts and the alts of friends who don't want those characters in their mains' FCs. I've got characters on both Crystal and Dynamis.

You don't lose anything by transferring to Dynamis to get a house then using data center travel to play with friends. Except during prime time or a patch week, travel time between data centers is one minute or less. During prime time, it's still usually under 3 minutes. Patch week is when it can be unpredictable.

I was openly skeptical about data center travel before it started. Feel free to go back through some of my old posts. And yet i would now tell anyone that is it nothing to fear if you want to play with friends on other data centers. The only time it would be a problem is if you help run an RP venue and you need to be a member of the FC or a tenant to be able to change furnishing/lighting or if you want to attend a Ceremony of Eternal Bonding. In both cases, having a separate alt takes care of the problem since you don't have to actively play and level the alt.

It's a rare social player that isn't using Discord, especially now that PS5 has Discord support. There's the easy way to stay in contact with your friends when you're on separate data centers.

Whatever we think the system should be like, it is not what it is now. If someone wants a house now, they can get one on Dynamis if NA or one of the new EU worlds if EU.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

I'd just like to throw in that I have a mansion in Ishgard overlooking the entire zone, and if everyone else who could scrape together the gil could get a mansion like mine, I'd still love it just the same.

[Stormpeaks]

I'd just like to throw in that I have a mansion in Ishgard overlooking the entire zone, and if everyone else who could scrape together the gil could get a mansion like mine, I'd still love it just the same.

That's good for you, it's a matter of opinion, not sure why this is still being argued lol, also a mansion in ishgard doesnt have the same value as a shiro 60 or a mist 35, if you knew about housing just a little, you would know. S60 and M35 are extremely rares and also extremely contested because they are quite literally the best larges in the game.

What would be absolutely amazing would be for people to stop acting as if they know housing, just like when Jojoya compared their mist 60 which is the absolutely worst medium in mist, to a shiro 60, saying that it "was the same because there are only 2 (30+60) in each wards like every other plot", being clueless is fine, but then at least dont pretend like you know anything about it, please.

I dont do ultimates, I dont do savage, I dont talk about ultimates and savage, I dont ask for nerfs or buffs, I dont talk about strategies, I dont criticize people for their opinions, because it's a topic that I dont know about, the same should be for housing, getting a house doesnt mean you magically know all about housing, if you think housing is reduced to "wow just put a bid on it and wait", then you have absolutely 0 clue about it. Proper housing requires research, and also a good knowledge of the housing market and all of the areas, and it takes quite a while to get that knowledge.

[Sindele]

An instance-ward hybrid system is never going to exist anyway, so this is about as pointless a tangent as it gets.

But hey, since it's already pointless, I'm going to start a fight because I think you're being insufferable and I know exactly what you're trying to get at: most of the conventional valuations aren't what they used to be and M35 has long been horribly overrated. Yards at a 90 degree angle to the sunset are m-m-m-mid. "B-b-b-but I can float a dock on the fence!" Snore. Hell, M35 isn't even "on" the beach, you're next to a little bundle of rocks and have an entire pier between you and the real beach. M36 has long been the superior plot aesthetically unless you need a large for build specific reasons.

And S60? Again, angled to the sunset, and are you ever going to actually going to *use* those hot springs? Or are you just pretending it's important to you because other people value it? (And if you do, even then, again you get beaten by a medium: S8/38 springs are better!) S46 at least lets you lord over the entire district AND get that beautiful sunset right in your face. Get up on the roof and you have a nearly unrestricted sightline on the entire ward unless S37 builds a castle, at which point you can laugh at their house facing the wrong way. But let's be honest: E30/60 devalued S30/60 for everyone who isn't into the Shiro aesthetic or obsessed with a sunset off the narrow end of their yard.

And of course there's always the elephant in the room: LB41. There is no house in the game that compares. Mediums really just get all the good placements.

[Rinoa_353]

I'd just like to throw in that I have a mansion in Ishgard overlooking the entire zone, and if everyone else who could scrape together the gil could get a mansion like mine, I'd still love it just the same.

Congrats, any large is a nice achievement, I still enjoyed my old mansion at W14 P35 in The Goblet prior to moving to my curret W14 P60 mansion in Shiro and yeah, I too don't mind others having the same plot as me lol :3

An instance-ward hybrid system is never going to exist anyway, so this is about as pointless a tangent as it gets.

But hey, since it's already pointless, I'm going to start a fight because I think you're being insufferable and I know exactly what you're trying to get at: most of the conventional valuations aren't what they used to be and M35 has long been horribly overrated. Yards at a 90 degree angle to the sunset are m-m-m-mid. "B-b-b-but I can float a dock on the fence!" Snore. Hell, M35 isn't even "on" the beach, you're next to a little bundle of rocks and have an entire pier between you and the real beach. M36 has long been the superior plot aesthetically unless you need a large for build specific reasons.

And S60? Again, angled to the sunset, and are you ever going to actually going to *use* those hot springs? Or are you just pretending it's important to you because other people value it? (And if you do, even then, again you get beaten by a medium: S8/38 springs are better!) S46 at least lets you lord over the entire district AND get that beautiful sunset right in your face. Get up on the roof and you have a nearly unrestricted sightline on the entire ward unless S37 builds a castle, at which point you can laugh at their house facing the wrong way. But let's be honest: E30/60 devalued S30/60 for everyone who isn't into the Shiro aesthetic or obsessed with a sunset off the narrow end of their yard.

And of course there's always the elephant in the room: LB41. There is no house in the game that compares. Mediums really just get all the good placements.

With the newest walls, having my personal onsen is better than the one behind my home and sunsets do look very nice from my private onsen as well. I like using my onsen a lot, especially when I have friends over since the ones behind my home are still public, so it's still fair game for anyone to use while mine are truly private with no ugly Paissa or Candyland houses to ruin the view and the graphics update in 7.0 will only make the view that much nicer, Empyreum is too gloomy for me and has the absolute worse placements of the Aetherytes too. I do agree that LB 11/41 is one of the best plots in the game but I wanted a large instead. All larges are nice because, well, they are larges and the rarest of all homes and I also liked my old Goblet W14 P35 mansion too. Now if they could update and add trees to the canyon, it would make The Goblet much better and a true oasis and more akin to the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.

[Khryseis_Astra]

Actually depends on which mansion. Empyreum 30/60 is the prized Large of the zone, right above the hot springs, and Empyreum is actually a pretty popular district on my server.

Just because people don’t share your opinion of which plots are best, doesn’t mean they don’t know housing. These things vary from server to server, let alone person to person. Some plots may have an almost universal appeal, but it really is subjective in the end. If all I cared about was someone else’s opinion of the “value” of my plot, I wouldn’t be trying to move! lol

[Stormpeaks]

Actually depends on which mansion. Empyreum 30/60 is the prized Large of the zone, right above the hot springs, and Empyreum is actually a pretty popular district on my server.

Just because people don’t share your opinion of which plots are best, doesn’t mean they don’t know housing. These things vary from server to server, let alone person to person. Some plots may have an almost universal appeal, but it really is subjective in the end. If all I cared about was someone else’s opinion of the “value” of my plot, I wouldn’t be trying to move! lol

That's not "my opinion", some plots are more popular than others, and they also have double if not triple the amount of bids, counting from the day they are available through the lottery.

[Khryseis_Astra]

That's not "my opinion", some plots are more popular than others, and they also have double if not triple the amount of bids, counting from the day they are available through the lottery.

As someone who’s worked in real estate irl, I can tell you the old adage “location, location, location” is definitely true. lol But for FFXIV, what the popular locations are vary widely depending on what server you’re on. And with the scarcity, that’s definitely messing up the bid count… I can attest to that just from personal experience. My favorite plot always gets a ton of bids, but I’m constantly surprised by the bid count on plots that I foolishly thought only I could see the beauty in! lol And mediums that generally aren’t considered as “popular” are getting more bids than those that are when both appear in a lotto, simply because people are trying to increase their odds. Now if you want to talk about rarity in terms of retention, you could probably make the argument that someone getting an S60 is more likely to hold on to it, so it isn’t up for bidding as often, and that’s a valid point. But “S60 is better than M35”? That’s a value judgement, based on opinion. Personally I don’t care for either of them, but then, my dream plot is a small! lol

Different people attach different value to different things… some people will choose a plot with an MB and bell out front over a pretty view. There’s that one poster here who doesn’t care what large she ends up with as long as it’s one that faces its entrance. (Which yes, some of these larges with the gate on the side wall of the house make my ocd cringe!) For some, only the size matters, for others only the neighborhood, for others any house will do because they just want a house. Value is subjective. Popularity, while it can be measured and tracked, is also subjective because it varies from person to person and definitely from server to server.

[not_ya_wify]

it is unfair for players to hold onto a house without making use of it or decorating it. By enforcing decoration, GMs can ensure that houses are being utilized to their full potential. Decorated houses can enhance the gameplay experience for all players, as they can be used for socializing, events, and other activities. By encouraging decoration, GMs can motivate peoople to create a more immersive and enjoyable game world for everyone. Decorating a virtual house can be a fun and creative activity, and by requiring players to decorate their houses, GMs can encourage players to explore their creative side and create unique and interesting spaces. Without an enforcement of decoration, some players may hoard multiple houses just to prevent others from having access to them. By enforcing decoration, GMs can prevent hoarding and ensure that houses are being used fairly and equitably.

Overall, while some players may not like the idea of GMs inspecting houses and enforcing decoration, it can promote fairness, enhance gameplay experience, encourage creativity, and prevent hoarding.
It is necessary because people keep getting houses only not to decorate afterwards.

How are they going to enforce that? People can just put down a summoning bell and a mender and meet the technical requirements of having their house "decorated." I'm all for giving houses to people who actually decorate them but automating that can be easily circumvented just by putting down a bunch of vendor items