I want to play *This* game

[StarRosie]

I don't see why that's controversial. No expansion except this one has been plagued with as much writing and content issues.

Cause this is highly subjective and every expansion has had groups of players saying stuff like this. Every expansion won't please everyone. That's just a fact of life and how things like personal tastes work.

[Hurlstone]

Cause this is highly subjective and every expansion has had groups of players saying stuff like this. Every expansion won't please everyone. That's just a fact of life and how things like personal tastes work.

This. Especially when it comes to the games writing and enjoyment, which is highly subjective.

Endwalker objectively has like no content. I don't think that can even be contested at this point. That's probably the biggest issue here.

Weird, would have sworn ranking up my Island, farming Pandæmonium and the Void story arc was content. Strange that!

Seriously though, whilst it fair to question the amount and type of content we get, I do find it a little unhealpful when people act as if the game has not been updated since 6.0. Just because it may not be content you personally like, does not mean its not there.

[Stormpeaks]

This. Especially when it comes to the games writing and enjoyment, which is highly subjective.



Weird, would have sworn ranking up my Island, farming Pandæmonium and the Void story arc was content. Strange that!

Seriously though, whilst it fair to question the amount and type of content we get, I do find it a little unhealpful when people act as if the game has not been updated since 6.0. Just because it may not be content you personally like, does not mean its not there.

"ranking up my island" as content LMAO

2 new ranks that take what ? a day or two ? oh my god the crazy amount of content

spamming the same thing over and over again on the same difficulty, god what great content that is !

also lol @ story as content

[Hurlstone]

"ranking up my island" as content LMAO

2 new ranks that take what ? a day or two ? oh my god the crazy amount of content

spamming the same thing over and over again on the same difficulty, god what great content that is !

also lol @ story as content

Well I made somone laugh, thats somthing at least... ?

[Celine_Aurora]

Weird, would have sworn ranking up my Island, farming Pandæmonium and the Void story arc was content. Strange that!

This does feel a bit disingenuous though. A raid and MSQ chapters are not really anything new, as for IS, you might say that ranking it up is content (most people do that in like 3 weeks then enter maintenance mode) but to have this and Variant dungeons, a foray zone like Eureka or Bozja was given up, and those are zones that are still highly visited.

We got a deep dungeon this time around which is nice but this does feel a bit shallow.

[Hurlstone]

This does feel a bit disingenuous though. A raid and MSQ chapters are not really anything new, as for IS, you might say that ranking it up is content (most people do that in like 3 weeks then enter maintenance mode) but to have this and Variant dungeons, a foray zone like Eureka or Bozja was given up, and those are zones that are still highly visited.

We got a deep dungeon this time around which is nice but this does feel a bit shallow.

Fair point. Like I said, I do think its right to question the amount and type of content we get. I would have loved a Bozja-like zone, as that was one of my favourite things EW added. Plus I do think that a better alternative could have been found then just handing in Tombstones for Relics. I just find the 'Its like maintenance mode' a little disingenuous myself, especially when such posts often ignore or belittle content such as IS/variant dungeons. There is a difference between meritocracy, and “the sky is falling”.

[Absimiliard]

Fair point. Like I said, I do think its right to question the amount and type of content we get. I would have loved a Bozja-like zone, as that was one of my favourite things EW added. Plus I do think that a better alternative could have been found then just handing in Tombstones for Relics. I just find the 'Its like maintenance mode' a little disingenuous myself, especially when such posts often ignore or belittle content such as IS/variant dungeons. There is a difference between meritocracy, and “the sky is falling”.

In fairness, variant dungeons failed to land for most of the playerbase. The lack of rewards essentially rendered them largely dead-on-arrival, with most people that took an interest ceasing to engage with the content after having seen all the routes and/or cleared the various difficulty levels. They had no staying power at all.

[Celine_Aurora]

Fair point. Like I said, I do think its right to question the amount and type of content we get. I would have loved a Bozja-like zone, as that was one of my favourite things EW added. Plus I do think that a better alternative could have been found then just handing in Tombstones for Relics. I just find the 'Its like maintenance mode' a little disingenuous myself, especially when such posts often ignore or belittle content such as IS/variant dungeons. There is a difference between meritocracy, and “the sky is falling”.

You are absolutely right about the relics, part of the reason Eureka and Bozja are still populated is that they are tied to augmenting job artifact sets, some unique glams and relics.

Lacking this kind of content to tie to those rewards will make Endwalker's legacy feel like... Well I don't know what's in store for 6.4 or 6.5, but I haven't seen anything that players in the future, main or fresh alts or new players, will want to revisit, with the exception of Eureka Orthos.

But you are also right that the world is not ending. The game is still plenty of fun for people that discovered the game after it rode the popularity of Shadowbringers, and there are the usual perma-AFK who do the social thing. It was always said about WoW that you cna only judge how good an expansion was by the sale metrics of the next one. I think more people will be willing to give 7.0 the benefit of doubt, and be excited that it will start a new chapter in the story. We'll see how 6.5 sets things up, I guess.

[Hurlstone]

You are absolutely right about the relics, part of the reason Eureka and Bozja are still populated is that they are tied to augmenting job artifact sets, some unique glams and relics.

Lacking this kind of content to tie to those rewards will make Endwalker's legacy feel like... Well I don't know what's in store for 6.4 or 6.5, but I haven't seen anything that players in the future, main or fresh alts or new players, will want to revisit, with the exception of Eureka Orthos.

Yeah, thats a good point. Even if they did not want to make a new explorable zone, they could have still made the journey to create the Relics more engaging. I have just been running older HW content for my Dragoon Anima Relic, and that would have been a good way to approach it. Use things like the Shared Fates and encourage engaging with current EW content. Heck, they could fully embrace the Hildabrand aspect and make some of the challenges really weird, like have a minion/UI page that got more 'buff' the more you completed/weapons you got.

But you are also right that the world is not ending. The game is still plenty of fun for people that discovered the game after it rode the popularity of Shadowbringers, and there are the usual perma-AFK who do the social thing. It was always said about WoW that you cna only judge how good an expansion was by the sale metrics of the next one. I think more people will be willing to give 7.0 the benefit of doubt, and be excited that it will start a new chapter in the story. We'll see how 6.5 sets things up, I guess.

Yeah, I am very intrigued to see what 7.0 will be like and how they build up to it. I personally do not think its gonna be as big a launch as EW was, but I do not think its a sin if that is the case. EW was helped by alot of things, such as the pandemic bringing in new players and the decline of WoW. We shall see when that time comes! Despite what some may have implied, I am sure FFXIV has a few expansions and years left in its bones.