Counterpoint to all the Debbie Downers lately...

[Absurdity]

This is an interesting thing to point out. They were so grateful to every 1.0 player who stayed with the game throughout 1.0 and on to ARR, and now it feels like they just don't care about the people who have stayed with the game for 10 years. Now they just want people to play for a day or two every 4 months and play other games in the mean time.

Very simple explanation for that, back then they needed the veterans to survive.

They needed the people who subscribed even at the end of 1.0 to get ARR off the ground in the first place and they needed them to breathe life into 2.0 because they couldn't be sure that they would attract enough new players.


Right now the game is popular enough that every single veteran who leaves is easily replaced with a sprout. Although according to the last Lucky Bancho census the influx of new players is in decline, so I guess we'll see what happens when those new people reach the state where they have completed all the old content they were interested in and only have the new patch content to satisfy them.

[Denji]

"I dont know OP I feel we need about 3 more negative threads before we start labeling as such."



Unironically the people who criticized other media outlets for being echo chambers of toxic positivity has now turned the official forums into an echo chamber for toxic negativity. Theres never a healthy in-between with this community which is sad.

Don't be a fool.
Yoship specifically ordered the forums to be reopened when he took over because he said the devs were willingly blinding themselves to criticism.

Anyone who claims the posts are worse now than they were back than is either a liar or intentionally ignorant.

[MagusMirel]

Very simple explanation for that, back then they needed the veterans to survive.

They needed the people who subscribed even at the end of 1.0 to get ARR off the ground in the first place and they needed them to breathe life into 2.0 because they couldn't be sure that they would attract enough new players.


Right now the game is popular enough that every single veteran who leaves is easily replaced with a sprout. Although according to the last Lucky Bancho census the influx of new players is in decline, so I guess we'll see what happens when those new people reach the state where they have completed all the old content they were interested in and only have the new patch content to satisfy them.

That's exactly the case. And that's a shame. In the past subscribers were rewarded with glamour outfits or a mount as a thanks for their loyality. But somehow SE gave in to those people who were complaining about that. That's kinda when it all started.
I've supported this game back then with all my heart. I wanted success for FFXIV so badly, because the game deserved it. But SE is all about money and not about loyality. That's why they are catering the new mass, which obviously don't have the needed mindset for an MMORPG and think of FFXIV as an 5 minute per day mobile game which you play while sitting on the toilet. In the end the success of the game killed it for me and many others. But what goes up, must come down. And the higher you raise, the faster you fall. That will be the case when SE doesn't change course in 7.0. Mark my words.

[Teno]

That's exactly the case. And that's a shame. In the past subscribers were rewarded with glamour outfits or a mount as a thanks for their loyality. But somehow SE gave in to those people who were complaining about that. That's kinda when it all started.
I've supported this game back then with all my heart. I wanted success for FFXIV so badly, because the game deserved it. But SE is all about money and not about loyality. That's why they are catering the new mass, which obviously don't have the needed mindset for an MMORPG and think of FFXIV as an 5 minute per day mobile game which you play while sitting on the toilet. In the end the success of the game killed it for me and many others. But what goes up, must come down. And the higher you raise, the faster you fall. That will be the case when SE doesn't change course in 7.0. Mark my words.

The words of literally every expert doomsayer for every expansion, every game for a few decades. Don't worry they're fine for a long while, many other more niche games are still thriving despite much more questionable choices.

[MagusMirel]

The words of literally every expert doomsayer for every expansion, every game for a few decades. Don't worry they're fine for a long while, many other more niche games are still thriving despite much more questionable choices.

You've just read the last bit of my post and put everything else into denial. The typical behavior...

[Atelier-Bagur]

Don't be a fool.
Yoship specifically ordered the forums to be reopened when he took over because he said the devs were willingly blinding themselves to criticism.

Anyone who claims the posts are worse now than they were back than is either a liar or intentionally ignorant.

Never even said the forums used to be good. It has always been like this anyway.

The truth is people quickly forget the state of things and paint the past with such nostalgia to feel justified about themselves.

Its actually kinda admiring that the official forums actually allow so much negativity anyway. At least give SE that they dont go around policing people over their complaints.


I still feel a lot of people over exaggerate with some of the nitpicks but it is what it is.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

Oooof, ouch wow things certainly got busy and heated in my absence. I don't even really think I want to address any of this, to be perfectly honest. Farewell for now~

her not being perceived as hot enough to attempt to justify it. Sexist nonsense, but for some reason, others choose not to see it and steadfastly maintain he has some sort of genuine point to be made.

I'd say the sheer dearth of Y'shtola fanart stands to contest this to the contrary.

Wait, I'm addressing it GO BACK

I will never tire of Happy Gr'a and his burger. The man deserves it after everything he has done.

I take umbrage with one single part. The part where he held it sidewise and almost lost the cheese. How could he, that poor burger deserves to be eaten!

Ugh, finally. Now farewell for real this time I swear. I need food and caffeine before I deal with any more.

[Theodric]

At the end of the day some of us are gay and would prefer to see more variety where the men in the main cast are concerned. You can't even create a tall, conventionally attractive regular looking man with actual eyebrows in this game. Something which has been politely requested for years by this point.

I distinctly remember the poster in question seeking to compromise by asking for variety, only for even those attempts to be shot down. So I'm not surprised he's gotten very tired of Y'shtola when her 'sassy' comments are often cheered on and Magnai's character is deceptively read into in the worst possible manner when he's actually pretty passionate and doesn't actually force anyone to do anything that they do not wish to do.

I'm also a little confused by the claims of wanting to keep a 'distance' from the poster in question but going out of one's way to bring up past posts in order to stir the pot. I think that's rather counterproductive in regards to such a goal, if nothing else.

At any rate, I don't think it's 'misogyny' at play so much as comments made in the heat of the moment in response to his personal tastes constantly being denigrated.

I've seen similar accusations of 'misogyny' thrown around on a whim at various posters - including some who happen to be women - simply on the basis of questioning Venat's actions, so with how readily such heavy terms are thrown around I'll admit to being skeptical.

I think the core issue is that the poster being discussed can be brash and opinionated and rather than simply make use of the ignore function, some would prefer to simply resort to the worst possible interpretations of what he's saying.

[CelestiCer]

Oh yeah!? Well to Counter your Counterpoint... Did they return it!! Did they I ask thee!?.. (or yee? idk)



M-my " Kaiten !!! " They have not!! (obviously) They have not I tell you...
So like... so there! yeah... Big nods, mhm. Showed you (also obviously)

[Theodric]

Oh yeah!? Well to Counter your Counterpoint... Did they return it!! Did they I ask thee!?.. (or yee? idk)



M-my " Kaiten !!! " They have not!! (obviously) They have not I tell you...
So like... so there! yeah... Big nods, mhm. Showed you (also obviously)

What ability do you think they will take away next?