Zepla about FFXIV Relic and Square Enix not taking any Risks

[R041]

It was a simple sentence. Maybe you need rest. Take care of yourself

No it's because it was without context over if it was talking about the VIEWERS, or the STREAMERS.

It's so disrespectful when someone tries to use mental health in a passive aggressive tone.

It's okay though, we chill. lol

[Kaurhz]

To be fair, everything's a bad portrayal on my part. lol

I watch most of these streamers, and watch their vids on Youtube. I don't even agree with everything they say of course - but I try to support them as much as possible, because it's all we have.

I would look at it relatively speaking. The forums are a cesspool at the moment. There's very little merit in actually taking anything seriously on here because everyone is so antagonistic towards each other, myself included at times. At this point even a bad portrayal, even if not a bad point is still an upgrade these days....

I watch the ones where I feel like I can withstand their personality, or find them entertaining, personally. e.g., I could watch streamers like Fahros (when he played), Xenosys (on occasion), Frosty (I'll pretty much put Mogtalk on as background noise and listen), and Angelus Demonus.

I can't say that I support all the streamers, but I do appreciate what they do, and in the same vein won't actually go out of my way to hate on them just because they're a streamer. If they do something then I may comment on it but it's hardly anything like "Stummer, must hate."

[Moomba33]

Disclaimer: I am responding to things discussed in this topic and have not watched Zepla's video.

I'm among those disappointed by the relic. A relic quest to me has always been a reason to log into the game between patches. I like having a grind to chip away at when I feel like being on XIV. I also hold the unpopular opinion that the ARR books were a fine relic step-I got tomes to buy the books from my regular dailies in game and then when I got a new book it felt good to have specific goals to aim for and check off. The current relic has been me buying one immediately upon the patch going live and then sometimes picking another up when I accumulated enough tomes. I don't feel motivated to actively go for them at all.

I'm not sure I agree with the idea SE isn't taking any risks. I feel that it's closer to the situation back in patch 3.1-the risks they have taken have not panned out. Back then it was Verminion and original Diadem, now its Island Sanctuary and Variant/Criterion. I think I enjoy the new content more than the average person here, but even I can say it hasn't been enough. Course back in 3.1 we had a brutally grindy relic to fill time....it's possible for things to swing too far back haha.

Personally for me the last time I felt this bored in game was mid Stormblood, around the time the Anata tribe was released. Back then I did not enjoy Eureka and many of my friends had quit playing. And even then, I did end up playing more during the end of Stormblood when Eureka became more tolerable. I do not believe that the variant dungeons and Island Sanctuary will be able to fill up time as well during the last few patches of Endwalker.

[BRVV]

No it's because it was without context over if it was talking about the VIEWERS, or the STREAMERS.

Ah i see.

It's so disrespectful when someone tries to use mental health in a passive aggressive tone.

You also frequently post, often double-post, today. I assumed you might be exhausted. Didn't want to come off as rude that's why i added that.

It's okay though, we chill. lol

Cool

[R041]

I would look at it relatively speaking. The forums are a cesspool at the moment. There's very little merit in actually taking anything seriously on here because everyone is so antagonistic towards each other, myself included at times. At this point even a bad portrayal, even if not a bad point is still an upgrade these days....

I watch the ones where I feel like I can withstand their personality, or find them entertaining, personally. e.g., I could watch streamers like Fahros (when he played), Xenosys (on occasion), Frosty (I'll pretty much put Mogtalk on as background noise and listen), and Angelus Demonus.

I can't say that I support all the streamers, but I do appreciate what they do, and in the same vein won't actually go out of my way to hate on them just because they're a streamer. If they do something then I may comment on it but it's hardly anything like "Stummer, must hate."

It's not just these forums though. It's spreading, and it's getting really bad. We're not even to the pre-expac lull yet and we're already at each other's throats.

Unfortunately I started even reading some of the youtube comments, and they're getting kinda nasty. Like these are just content creators and players asking for a little more variety is all, and it's like we're rabid.

It kinda seems like Zepla might legitimately be in a defensive spiral because there's no positivity her way from XIV and XIV players. She may not want to even come back, and that's a HUGE hit to us as much as some people want to sit here and say she doesn't help the community.

[R041]

You also frequently post, often double-post, today. I assumed you might be exhausted. Didn't want to come off as rude that's why i added that.

YOU DON'T TELL ME I DOUBLE POST SIR.. OR MA'AM.

(it's okay, I forgive you)

[Hurlstone]

I am a bit torn on the topic of relics. On the one hand, I would have loved a longer grind with a more immersive story then what we have. The Bozja storyline is one of the best in the game I feel and had some really fun elements. On the other, I can understand why SE perhaps does not want another long grind item hunt when we already have several. Especially if it ends up being content that risks becoming defunct or gates people from completing once people move on to the new expansion. I feel they could have come to an easy bypass at least.

[Colt47]

Eh, I don't really agree with Zepla, but I do agree that the use of the secondary tomestone as the resource when that tomestone is already used for crafting materials and catchup gear is kind of not the best plan. This should have used poetics just because poetics have been reduced to such a joke lately that you can't even find justifiable reason to offload them when capped.

[Kaurhz]

It's not just these forums though. It's spreading, and it's getting really bad. We're not even to the pre-expac lull yet and we're already at each other's throats.

Unfortunately I started even reading some of the youtube comments, and they're getting kinda nasty. Like these are just content creators and players asking for a little more variety is all, and it's like we're rabid.

It kinda seems like Zepla might legitimately be in a defensive spiral because there's no positivity her way from XIV and XIV players. She may not want to even come back, and that's a HUGE hit to us as much as some people want to sit here and say she doesn't help the community.

I personally think will be the worst of it. Depending on the graphical update, I think can easily single-handedly carry players through to the next expansion as it gets revealed. Again, depending. Equally, the fact it will be an expansion is basically putting a carrot in front of people. Regardless of how bad this carrot was for some, they'll still bite.

I never read comments, honestly, and precisely for this reason. In some fashion people defending can be a little more in-your-face about trying to dismiss or outright harass over criticisms. But equally, they have always been abused, be it direct or otherwise. e.g., people would quickly dismiss praise (albeit not directly), under the premise that they're a streamer, and shouldn't be taken seriously because they're effectively 'paid to like the game' - I will say though, seeing the forums has made me realize just how toxic the community can be - I don't necessarily ascribe this to one particular group either, but just in general. I would even go as far as to say those who are not being toxic are after a fashion just trying to assert some moral superiority. That being said, I'm not always innocent, but I'm pretty much self-aware unlike some.

I think she will - I think she's cognizant enough of how the community can be from a lot of angles. I think the passion for the game will simply outweigh the toxicity that can triangulate from it.

[Demolisher]

everyone is so antagonistic towards each other, myself included at times

We love a RARE moment of self awareness on the forums