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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    Who is Zepla?
    Wouldn't a quick google search suffice, what is the need to post this in the thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Wouldn't a quick google search suffice, what is the need to post this in the thread?
    Because everyone seems to think they are some kind of expert on the state of the game and an authority, in which case everyone should be aware of who they are. If there are things you are dissatisfied with then just say that, don't use an internet personality to try and validate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    Who is Zepla?
    A streamer. Or someone with a microphone, a webcam, and an opinion if you prefer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunkygladiator View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gocvyuEUtK0

    Love it when people are finally waking up to Endwalker being a terrible expansion, and not just a terrible expansion but the continuation of a terrible design ethos in this game starting from Stormblood.

    Also, Bozja had a far better story than EW Relic lol, so it's not even decent as a "story-based" relic.



    MrHappy: "EXPANSION OF DISASTERS"
    who cares about Zepla and what she says. I can't even stand her
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang View Post
    who cares about Zepla and what she says. I can't even stand her
    Rent free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deo14 View Post
    Rent free.
    Seems better than paying something so it can continue to live in your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Seems better than paying something so it can continue to live in your head.
    Feel free to stop repeating that tired excuse already. As people have pointed out, showing the door to consumers with criticism doesn't lead to improvement. If everyone who critisizes the game leaves, who will be left to provide feedback for the devs? The white knights are more than happy to watch the game die, they'll be happy if there's no content whatsoever as long as they can afk in their houses or Limsa, or do 10 year old content for no reason other than to do it.
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    I think criticism would be better received if it was well presented and not in such a way where it seems to focus more on theatrics and shock value.

    The general atmosphere on the forums aren't really constructive to criticism and based on a lot of the behavior here I'd gather the dev's don't even come here at all, and just leave these forums for people to vent and can otherwise ignore most of the posts here.

    I feel the same way about how the posters here widely treat one another - full of insults or just a general tone not really conducive to listening to one another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriyana View Post
    Feel free to stop repeating that tired excuse already. As people have pointed out, showing the door to consumers with criticism doesn't lead to improvement. If everyone who critisizes the game leaves, who will be left to provide feedback for the devs? The white knights are more than happy to watch the game die, they'll be happy if there's no content whatsoever as long as they can afk in their houses or Limsa, or do 10 year old content for no reason other than to do it.
    How many years have certain posters been complaining about the same things? What has come of those complaints in that time?

    If the content that is getting released isn't satisfying to you for some reason, that's a fair statement. What you enjoy is subjective to you. Let them know how the equivalent content in the past was satisfying to you and why the new content is letting you down.

    But if you're truly unhappy with the overall state of the game, repeating feedback already given does nothing. The best criticism you can leave about a game occurs when you stop paying and playing. You're saying that you've had enough. The game quality has suffered so much in your eyes that it is no longer worth your time or money. Enough other players quit playing, leaving similar feedback, and the corporation will finally acknowledge there are problems.

    Very few here in the forums defending the game are white knights. They'll acknowledge that there is room for improvement in the game where a white knight will deny that any faults exist. But where you and others are no longer enjoying the game, they still are. Despite the problems they're still having fun and don't see that changing any time soon. The things you see as problems likely don't have a negative impact their game play and so they aren't concerned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    A lot of the things people like in the game are actively being removed at the behest of those insisting everything is fine, though. I liked Bozja. I liked Eureka.

    People leave feedback to get more of what they'd like to see and most MMO's at least throw more of a bone to account for varied tastes.
    But what percentage of the player base felt the same way? Participation doesn't always align with satisfaction when there's a highly desired reward at the end. I know of more players going into Eureka this expansion than going into Bozja/Zadnor yet neither group is very large compared to those I know that are doing other content.

    Then there were the players who were complaining in Shadowbringers that Bozja/Zadnor replaced what could have been a new Deep Dungeon, which is what they enjoy. So they got their new Deep Dungeon while the exploratory zone fans missed out this expansion.

    I can't see either of those groups being happy with just "a bone".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    Hey, I agree - people like MrHappy and Zepla do not speak for the entire playerbase. However, there's a problem with that line of thinking when they are the people within the "community" who have direct access to Yoshida to share their general feedback with the community and ask questions or interview him. You can go on both of their channels and see that they were both invited to the Endwalker media tours and both have had direct 1 on 1 interviews with Yoshida where they asked questions about the game, changes, concerns, etc and have had this kind of access to and rapport with Yoshida directly for years now.

    So while it's easy to say "they don't represent the entire playerbase" because that is true, you should also take into consideration that the development team sees them as a face to the western communities and a good enough litmus of things that they have continually kept up with them. I even recall an interview where Yoshi-P said to Mr. Happy that he watches Mr. Happy's videos (whether or not this is true or just trying to make Mr. Happy feel good is anyone's guess, personally speaking I doubt he actually does since he's likely way too busy) so for all intents and purposes if MrHappy or Zepla is saying something, it is more likely that SE will pay attention and take note of it than they will for AngryGamer79 or PleasedPlayer61 on the forums for both sides of feedback.
    Major streamers such as them generally try to stay in the good graces of SE and their viewers. When they feel they have to take sides and come down on SE, yes, it’s now officially bad for the post-EW period.

    Zepla has already backed away from XIV and others are doing the same. This means their viewers no longer want XIV content and want something else. That is all the metrics the devs need to know for the short term future, things are not good, not good at all.

    Once you get into a negative feedback spiral, it’s horribly hard to get out of it. The devs have to get involved quick to correct this before it’s too late and we end up in a possible death cycle.

    This is why all of the XIV fans are so upset, we have seen this before, many times, and we want to stop it before it’s too late.
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