Play other games :)

[Semirhage]

I'm just dropping back in here to cackle at the victimology of "Venat criticism", which I recall pretty much always accompanied hero worship of the Ancients and declarations that we'd live in a perfect utopia if only we'd murder dissidents as soon as we detected them, like that's a *hinged* way to view the world, and doesn't completely miss the solid narrative message Endwalker at least tried to get across.

I've got my criticisms of Endwalker's storytelling, but "Venat criticism" has never not struck me as the seething of people so enamored with utopia they'd be willing to ignore...all of literary history's commentary on how idiotic utopianism is.

[Thenightvortex]

I'm just dropping back in here to cackle at the victimology of "Venat criticism", which I recall pretty much always accompanied hero worship of the Ancients and declarations that we'd live in a perfect utopia if only we'd murder dissidents as soon as we detected them, like that's a *hinged* way to view the world, and doesn't completely miss the solid narrative message Endwalker at least tried to get across.

I've got my criticisms of Endwalker's storytelling, but "Venat criticism" has never not struck me as the seething of people so enamored with utopia they'd be willing to ignore...all of literary history's commentary on how idiotic utopianism is.

Believe it or not, one can simultaneously believe that a society is not perfect and that it doesn’t deserve to be annihilated in a way Venat annihilated the ancients. We get the point EW narrative is trying to make, we just think its nonsense.

[Hurlstone]

Believe it or not, one can simultaneously believe that a society is not perfect and that it doesn’t deserve to be annihilated in a way Venat annihilated the ancients. We get the point EW narrative is trying to make, we just think its nonsense.

To be fair even Venat fans can dislike how they handle the Shattering. The whole debate was not really as black or white as some would make it out as. I am perhaps one of Venats biggest fans, but I really would have liked more emphasis on the weight her choice had. Does not help that lots of what we know of that time is said in metaphor. One of the reasons why I would love SE to expand its FFXIV storytelling to things like novels etc. Lots of good stuff to be mined that the game unfortunately cannot explore.

Thats the interesting thing about storytelling I find, no one is really right or wrong when it comes to enjoying a story/lore or not. We all form our own opinions.

[Thenightvortex]

To be fair even Venat fans can dislike how they handle the Shattering. The whole debate was not really as black or white as some would make it out as. I am perhaps one of Venats biggest fans, but I really would have liked more emphasis on the weight her choice had. Does not help that lots of what we know of that time is said in metaphor. One of the reasons why I would love SE to expand its FFXIV storytelling to things like novels etc. Lots of good stuff to be mined that the game unfortunately cannot explore.

Thats the interesting thing about storytelling I find, no one is really right or wrong when it comes to enjoying a story/lore or not. We all form our own opinions.

I don’t think one can be right/wrong about enjoying a story. People can be right and wrong about lore facts however, and it is a far too common occurrence when people deny or ignore those facts when trying to defend Venat. There are many ways it could’ve been done better, I agree, but it doesn’t seem like they are going to elaborate on this story arc beyond Panda/Myths at all, so it is what it is.

[BRVV]

I'm just dropping back in here to cackle at the victimology of "Venat criticism", which I recall pretty much always accompanied hero worship of the Ancients and declarations that we'd live in a perfect utopia if only we'd murder dissidents as soon as we detected them, like that's a *hinged* way to view the world, and doesn't completely miss the solid narrative message Endwalker at least tried to get across.

I've got my criticisms of Endwalker's storytelling, but "Venat criticism" has never not struck me as the seething of people so enamored with utopia they'd be willing to ignore...all of literary history's commentary on how idiotic utopianism is.

"solid narrative" - that gave me a chuckle

Don't know where you get that all of Venat criticism is somehow supportive of slaughter. Weird take when Venat is the one killing a bunch of people. And your point is that of the Endsinger? Do you agree with her? Since you seem to claim that the Ancients world deserves to be destroyed?

[Theodric]

I'm just dropping back in here to cackle at the victimology of "Venat criticism", which I recall pretty much always accompanied hero worship of the Ancients and declarations that we'd live in a perfect utopia if only we'd murder dissidents as soon as we detected them, like that's a *hinged* way to view the world, and doesn't completely miss the solid narrative message Endwalker at least tried to get across.

I've got my criticisms of Endwalker's storytelling, but "Venat criticism" has never not struck me as the seething of people so enamored with utopia they'd be willing to ignore...all of literary history's commentary on how idiotic utopianism is.

I don't think you actually read what people critical of Venat were even posting, then. The Sundered exist at the expense of the Ancients and so the latter are under no obligation to just allow themselves to be wiped out because some narc masquerading as a 'supreme deity' decides to genocide her own people rather than sit down and have a conversation about her actual concerns. We know from their own admission that the Scions would never allow such a fate to be inflicted upon their own people, thus there's no reason for anybody else to let it happen to them either.

That aside, you realise it's fiction...right? People criticising 'mommy' is not at all equal to people being sent threats or viciously insulted for criticising her.

It's a bad faith attempt to deflect from the fact that many people critical of Venat simply wanted the story to be consistent and not suddenly approve of genocide and consider it to be an 'unfortunate necessity' just because it happened to benefit the 'good guys'.