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    NobleWinter's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICountFrom0 View Post
    While we're tinkering.

    Does anybody else think that expediant feels more like a level 50 capstone ability and not a level 90 capstone ability?

    It's a little speed and a little damage reduction. Other classes get quite a bit more at 90. It looks like it lines up better with level 50 abilities.
    I would definitely trade Expedient for Sacred Soil. Soil doesn't even give a Regen until level 78 so it would strictly be an upgrade having the speed boost attached to our mitigation until level 78 without any need for the party to stand in a bubble. I wouldn't mind getting Sacred Soil at 90 instead as a capstone ability either. Let me speed up the dungeon runs for every expansion please.
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    Last edited by NobleWinter; 05-06-2023 at 06:48 PM.

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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by NobleWinter View Post
    I would definitely trade Expedient for Sacred Soil. Soil doesn't even give a Regen until level 78 so it would strictly be an upgrade having the speed boost attached to our mitigation until level 78 without any need for the party to stand in a bubble. I wouldn't mind getting Sacred Soil at 90 instead as a capstone ability either. Let me speed up the dungeon runs for every expansion please.
    Inb4 random SCH fat-fingered Expedience at Red Girl's forced march mechanic. That oughta be a funny sight though.
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    Tigore Collson
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    <TLDR version>

    SCH gets Sacred Soil early on with Lustrate being the level 50 milestone both for Aether use. We may need to shuffle other things to make this work since switching Expedient to be here would make the Aurum Vale dungeon have zero healing Aether usage ... unless we want Expedient to use an Aether ... then maybe give Sacred Soil to the fairy as a cooldown or Fairy Gauge spell? Maybe have it replace Whispering Dawn with its upgraded HoT to it later on? Or the other way around with the HoT first, then damage reduction later.

    </TLDR>

    I mean, WHM Assize also has the weakness of unwanted hits to that small mud add on a 60 dungeon too. Have to move to the edge of an arena to minimize that.

    Roe pretty much made the arguments that level 90 abilities are typically lower priority or upgrade skills to most other classes anyhow. There are a few exceptions though like the mentioned Wyrmwind Thrust on my DRG where it does feel like a decent boost to what I do with the class. More particular on AoEs since we don't have a 4th or 5th combo extension step for it ... yet. They probably could do that too by combining it to the current "Fang and Claw" and "Wheeling Thrust" to change ... I had quick queues on the DRG yesterday night and it froze me away from using SGE for 9 minutes to let me test this again >.>

    Anyways, level 50 currently tends to add something a little more to complete the rotations and we get locked out of it for the 49 dungeon Aurum Vale :P No Benediction or Lustrate for that dungeon ... But I had Holy with Swiftcast, Regen and Cure 2 on WHM still. On SCH, I think I last remembered actually having to occasionally alternate Physick due to the Adloquioum shield still not quite breaking yet. No Emergency Tactics yet at that level.
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    fulminating's Avatar
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    Wind-up Everyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigore View Post
    <TLDR version>

    SCH gets Sacred Soil early on with Lustrate being the level 50 milestone both for Aether use. We may need to shuffle other things to make this work since switching Expedient to be here would make the Aurum Vale dungeon have zero healing Aether usage ... unless we want Expedient to use an Aether ... then maybe give Sacred Soil to the fairy as a cooldown or Fairy Gauge spell? Maybe have it replace Whispering Dawn with its upgraded HoT to it later on? Or the other way around with the HoT first, then damage reduction later.

    </TLDR>
    Lustrate is the primary method of healing on scholar. Why on earth would you lock that behind level 50 - 45’s bad enough as is. Soil being a non-hp mitigation works well as a capstone skill for scholar, being both visually striking* and complimenting the rest of the skill set. I get that you can’t realistically suggest locking broil behind it but come on now.

    *before everyone and their dog got a bubble at least.
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    Excuse me on Lustrate. I could have sworn that Lustrate was a 50 ability in the past when I was levelling in Heavensward. If so, it must have been changed with me not noticing at level cap already. And also, I wasn't the first person to suggest switching Expedient with Sacred Soil. I was discussing what type of things could potentially occur if a switch was desired between the 2 spells. Aetherflow is a major cooldown SCHs use and making a switch like this would kind of remove an aether spell for levelling unless Expedient became the new spell with an Aether cost.
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    Last edited by Tigore; 05-07-2023 at 04:12 AM.