How to Restore Confidence in FFXIV

[aveyond-dreams]

People spent all last expansion complaining about the lack of a deep dungeon, so now we have one and people are complaining that it's another deep dungeon.

I'm someone who thoroughly enjoyed both Palace of the Dead and Heaven on High as deep dungeons when they released but I absolutely loathe anything and everything to do with Eureka Orthos. My reasons are as follows.

For one, nobody wanted to see yet more hideous allagan textures copypasted everywhere.

The majority of the playerbase despises Hermes yet a certain writer decided to one again take the opportunity to gush over him in this deep dungeon's writing.

The weapons are the worst ones yet.

The hairstyle reward is one that at best only appeals to players on the fringes and isn't something I've seen anyone use.

The mount is yet another recycled mob and another with more ugly allagan textures painted on it.

From what I understand new enemies roam around the levelling floors that can one-shot and then wipe whole parties, making this content useless as a less painful way of levelling alt classes.

If we had gotten a deep dungeon on the moon, Garlemald, or even Lea Monde with better rewards I probably would be playing it right now instead of posting on the forums. Instead here we are.

[SieyaM]

I'm someone who thoroughly enjoyed both Palace of the Dead and Heaven on High as deep dungeons when they released but I absolutely loathe anything and everything to do with Eureka Orthos. My reasons are as follows.

For one, nobody wanted to see yet more hideous allagan textures copypasted everywhere.

The majority of the playerbase despises Hermes yet a certain writer decided to one again take the opportunity to gush over him in this deep dungeon's writing.

The weapons are the worst ones yet.

The hairstyle reward is one that at best only appeals to players on the fringes and isn't something I've seen anyone use.

The mount is yet another recycled mob and another with more ugly allagan textures painted on it.

From what I understand new enemies roam around the levelling floors that can one-shot and then wipe whole parties, making this content useless as a less painful way of levelling alt classes.

If we had gotten a deep dungeon on the moon, Garlemald, or even Lea Monde with better rewards I probably would be playing it right now instead of posting on the forums. Instead here we are.

A lot of these seem to be personal complaints about the fact that the aesthetic of the dungeon doesn't suit you, as well as the weapon. I haven't seen hardly anyone with Ultimate weapons but that doesn't mean the content is dead and shouldn't have been developed, but that is considered more of an elitist thing to have so I guess it excuses it's rarity. Of all the complaints around here I don't remember a huge wave of them being about Hermes, but maybe the social circles you're in hates them so it seems that way.

[aveyond-dreams]

A lot of these seem to be personal complaints about the fact that the aesthetic of the dungeon doesn't suit you, as well as the weapon. I haven't seen hardly anyone with Ultimate weapons but that doesn't mean the content is dead and shouldn't have been developed, but that is considered more of an elitist thing to have so I guess it excuses it's rarity. Of all the complaints around here I don't remember a huge wave of them being about Hermes, but maybe the social circles you're in hates them so it seems that way.

Indeed. The weapon looks like garbage and so did the area the content takes place in so I refused to engage in it. Allagan aesthetics are widely regarded as ugly if not painful to look at so asking me to tolerate even more of it after 10 years was quite frankly unacceptable.

I highly recommend you look into some of the criticisms, mostly valid, levied at Hermes. I do not care for the attempt at elucidating on the meaning of life/depression via that character, who ended up being even more widely despised than originally anticipated as per a post-EW launch interview. His inclusion in the story actively worsened it and I've made the decision for myself that after such wildly out of touch commentary through Hermes by that writer, I am no longer willing to play storylines written by her.

Any trust from the DRK storyline and Shadowbringers was torn to shreds by the 6.0 MSQ.

Hiroi, who is supposed to take charge for 7.0's MSQ, must restore the status quo and preferably not take out half the universe like what happened in Endwalker. Better handling of themes, better handling of characters, and above all - some deeper thinking and reflection that could have saved Endwalker's story from hitting all the wrong notes with people.

[SieyaM]

Indeed. The weapon looks like garbage and so did the area the content takes place in so I refused to engage in it. Allagan aesthetics are widely regarded as ugly if not painful to look at so asking me to tolerate even more of it after 10 years was quite frankly unacceptable.

I highly recommend you look into some of the criticisms, mostly valid, levied at Hermes. I do not care for the attempt at elucidating on the meaning of life/depression via that character, who ended up being even more widely despised than originally anticipated as per a post-EW launch interview. His inclusion in the story actively worsened it and I've made the decision for myself that after such wildly out of touch commentary through Hermes by that writer, I am no longer willing to play storylines written by her.

Any trust from the DRK storyline and Shadowbringers was torn to shreds by the 6.0 MSQ.

Hiroi, who is supposed to take charge for 7.0's MSQ, must restore the status quo and preferably not take out half the universe like what happened in Endwalker. Better handling of themes, better handling of characters, and above all - some deeper thinking and reflection that could have saved Endwalker's story from hitting all the wrong notes with people.

I am no expert, but I think maintaining the status quo for too long is what seems to be hurting a lot of aspects of the game. Particularly gearing.

[Alleluia]

Hiroi, who is supposed to take charge for 7.0's MSQ, must restore the status quo and preferably not take out half the universe like what happened in Endwalker. Better handling of themes, better handling of characters, and above all - some deeper thinking and reflection that could have saved Endwalker's story from hitting all the wrong notes with people.

Endwalker's story only hit all the wrong notes for some people. And seemingly not the majority. For many other people, probably most imo, it was good but had problems. And for the most vocal third of this pie, it hit all the right notes, not the wrong ones. Please specify caveats instead of talking in absolutes like that, thank you.

[aveyond-dreams]

Endwalker's story only hit all the wrong notes for some people. And seemingly not the majority. For many other people, probably most imo, it was good but had problems. And for the most vocal third of this pie, it hit all the right notes, not the wrong ones. Please specify caveats instead of talking in absolutes like that, thank you.

I refuse to engage with people who at this stage are still trying to derail things by turning the conversation towards semantics. This is the only time I care to address this topic in this thread and I will thank you kindly to contribute to discussions in more meaningful ways in the future. I found Endwalker and the way in which it went about its messaging to not meet the standard set in the past.

All Hiroi needs to do is not repeat the mistakes this expansion did with its story and 7.0 will be better by default. Though how in the world he or any other writer is going to try and pick up the pieces of FFXIV's world after Endwalker took a wrecking ball to everything is a mystery I'm not presently equipped to resolve.

I cannot imagine inheriting a project like this.

[VelKallor]

I found Endwalker and the way in which it went about its messaging to not meet the standard set in the past.

I didnt. Guess what..from that alone is proof you dont ever speak for me.

We are all well aware of your "lofty standards", but by what right do you claim that "you know best for others"?

[TowaIsBestGirl]

Like your grandiose claims that you speak for the rest of the community? Which you dont?



I am now VERY curious to tell me just how you came to THAT conclusions.....you are actually claiming that what you've put forward is what others want?

Based on..what exactly?

I didnt. Guess what..from that alone is proof you dont ever speak for me.

We are all well aware of your "lofty standards", but by what right do you claim that "you know best for others"?

How are you so unaware of how hypocritical this makes you look? I'm not overly familiar with that poster, but you show up around certain circles almost as much as they do and so far I've never seen them say they speak for all of the community or even large swathes of it. Meanwhile, you're constantly speaking on how you liked something, others don't speak for you and that makes them wrong. Like, you literally say these things ad verbatim. Your choice of words is always mired in the use of possessive pronouns, and I legitimately struggle to comprehend how the irony of this escapes you.

Your overly abrasive demeanor towards other posters also rubs me the wrong way far more than that poster does. Maybe they come on a little too strong, but you're constantly snapping your jaws at others.

[TowaIsBestGirl]

Sorry to jump back to that, but I think some people just love to complain, and would even pay money playing a game they clearly hate and know won't change to suit their preferences just to complain about it. *Shrugs* It's their money I guess...

Why is this such an ever-prevalent attitude on these forums? Have people forgotten the entire reason critique exists is for games to get better? The logic is all funky here, people criticize because they care. If they truly hated it, they'd just unsub and go about their business. Has it never occurred to some here that if some posters seem to hate the game, it's less that they actually do and maybe that some of you come into the forums with pre-existent preconceptions of who they're supposed to be?

We need new lands with new people and NO MORE SCIONS or STUDENTS OF BALDESION. We need reasons to get out in the world instead of hanging out in the capital cities at the aetherytes.

I don't really clamor for all the Scions to be gone, I doubt I'd enjoy that all that much. But is one or two not being there for a quest or two too much to ask? People speak a lot of guff about them not all being present at one time, but at least one or two of them is nearly always present with nearly no breaks. I don't personally feel this way, but I don't blame those who are sick of them. Variety is the spice of life after all, and Zero can only cover so much ground in that regard.

Endwalker's story only hit all the wrong notes for some people. And seemingly not the majority. For many other people, probably most imo, it was good but had problems. And for the most vocal third of this pie, it hit all the right notes, not the wrong ones. Please specify caveats instead of talking in absolutes like that, thank you.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority

Citations, please. Receipts, if thou wouldst. Since we're talking specifics, now.

[Kacho_Nacho]

I don't really clamor for all the Scions to be gone, I doubt I'd enjoy that all that much. But is one or two not being there for a quest or two too much to ask? People speak a lot of guff about them not all being present at one time, but at least one or two of them is nearly always present with nearly no breaks. I don't personally feel this way, but I don't blame those who are sick of them. Variety is the spice of life after all, and Zero can only cover so much ground in that regard.

It isn't that I hate them. It's that I feel their individual story arcs are mostly completed, and with the end of the world avoided, I feel continuing with a Scions heavy storyline would just be more of the same thing.

In fact, I think the developers painted themselves in a corner with EW. What can the WoL do to top saving the entire Universe? Suggesting some warlord in the void world is somehow a threat to the person who beat the most powerful threat in all existence is downright silly.

I know it's just a game but there's got to be some logic involved in the storyline.