This game is on a terrible state right now.

[Kaurhz]

The game's problems are far too varied and widespread to blame on any one demographic. ...Except for the amount of blatant child victimization going on lately, we know exactly who to blame that on.

Yes, and that much I agree with you, hence why I find it all the more laughable and petulant when people resort to blaming or attacking particular demographics in the first place. Or even just the general passive-aggressive digs

It isn't the RP community, nor is it the 'Limsa AFK' community's fault, or root of the problem for, really, any of the issues, and nor is there a correlation. Not that I think you're responsible, but there has been a pretty clear trend with some people pointing fingers where they absolutely shouldn't be in the first place.

[Ath192]

The game's problems are far too varied and widespread to blame on any one demographic. ...Except for the amount of blatant child victimization going on lately, we know exactly who to blame that on.

Maybe the issues are varied and widespread but the root cause of all of them is the same one. The design philosophy of this game is not that of an MMO designed to keep you busy and forcing social cooperation and interaction and more of a single player title with multiplayer features that has been marketed as an MMO.

People who bought the koolaid like I did that this is a big MMO, and expect MMO things are the ones that are upset.

I don't know if anyones played Elden ring but I noticed that I played that game, beat it, then maybe did a few things and never logged on again and I thought that was a fantastic game. If there is ever DLC I'll buy it, play it and quit it, and so on. That was a single player title with multiplayer features. If we apply the same expectations and play pattern to this game, it's a great game.

In other words. The problem is staying. The game is designed for you to quit. I think that is against the spirit of MMOs and a very poor decision, but nonetheless I do think it's closer to the truth than not.

[SannaR]

Playing victims are we? typical

That's how it's been for a while. It's easier to deny that people who are happy with how the game is overall are capable of allowing said enjoyment outweigh the few qualms they might have. Or for some people to insist that if they have been around as long as them that they too must also behave like chicken little or feel as though they're the boy who cried wolf at the end of the story. That there is no conceivable way that someone who's been around as long as them and even enjoyed some of the same things as them in the past could still have a bigger overall enjoyment of the game. It just gets tiring after awhile as these discussions don't go anywhere. Nothing anyone who might still have an optimistic or overall positive view says will change their minds.

[Ath192]

Nothing anyone who might still have an optimistic or overall positive view says will change their minds.

Because that's not what the people submitting feedback here are looking for. If you enjoy the game go play it. What will change our minds is when the Devs acknowledge the side of the population that wants lasting content, is asking for it, and provides it. Nothing you or anyone says will change that because the problem and arguments being made are not against you, or for you to fix. So the positive input is completely irrelevant. If you wish to provide encouragement and congratulations perhaps a thread that's titled as such would be appropriate.

Imagine asking your waiter to see if they can get you a better steak because they burnt the one they got you, and some other random customer butts in and tries to convince you your food is fine. Just why?

[Alleluia]

As for negativity, I don't get it. This is official forums, not some facebook meme page. Why would anyone come here to spread positivity?

Proof someone doesn't even look at other threads currently on the first page on this same board... https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...F-14-Machinima

Seriously, though, even if I hadn't unintentionally made that counterexample hours before you posted that, what a bad take. lol This is not just a constructive criticism forum. This is a game that has a fandom. People like to talk about the stuff they like.

[Ransu]

Precisely.

There are far too many people who misrepresent me as someone who dislikes FFXIV when my main issue is how far the standards have fallen and how shocking the change of direction has been when compared to previous expansions.

If you read your own posts I'd hardly call it a misrepresentation. Its been clear for awhile that you don't like the game and its weird that you're still subscribed unless you're just outright trolling.

[Kaurhz]

Because that's not what the people submitting feedback here are looking for. If you enjoy the game go play it. What will change our minds is when the Devs acknowledge the side of the population that wants lasting content, is asking for it, and provides it. Nothing you or anyone says will change that because the problem and arguments being made are not against you, or for you to fix. So the positive input is completely irrelevant. If you wish to provide encouragement and congratulations perhaps a thread that's titled as such would be appropriate.

Imagine asking your waiter to see if they can get you a better steak because they burnt the one they got you, and some other random customer butts in and tries to convince you your food is fine. Just why?

Not that I entirely disagree with the premise, however...

This analogy works, and then it crashes when you come to the realization that the feedback you give still affects the product that others consume in the case of XIV. If you request a new steak because your one was burnt, then that is one thing, however, this is more in some cases the equivalent of telling the restaurant that they should change their dishes because they don't like them - That change then affects what others consume, and at that point, you would more than likely enter into a disagreement with other customers if this was stated publicly.

It is a public forum, and anyone can announce a criticism of anything, however, as it is a public forum, then people are just as entitled to provide counter-criticisms if they disagree with it. Someone may make a statement that exploration content is the greatest content ever released, and they should do it every expansion. On the other hand, there are people that would disagree and say that exploration content is a mistake and that they should look at other projects to see how they can come to fruition that may just need refinement along the way. e.g., Island Sanctuary and Variant/Criterion. Whilst they are flawed, they still have tremendous potential - It's just a question of whether developers will even capitalize on it.

This works vice versa, they could have released exploration and conversely, people could complain to say they should give it a rest and try something new, which can be responded with to say that no they should continue with that.

[SannaR]

Because that's not what the people submitting feedback here are looking for. If you enjoy the game go play it. What will change our minds is when the Devs acknowledge the side of the population that wants lasting content, is asking for it, and provides it. Nothing you or anyone says will change that because the problem and arguments being made are not against you, or for you to fix. So the positive input is completely irrelevant. If you wish to provide encouragement and congratulations perhaps a thread that's titled as such would be appropriate.

Imagine asking your waiter to see if they can get you a better steak because they burnt the one they got you, and some other random customer buts in and tries to convince you your food is fine. Just why?

Because there are people who treat a steak that was just slightly cooked longer than they wanted as the exact same thing as one that looks like a piece of charcoal. Trust me I've actually had to smile and agree with that level of bull from a customer who is being very picky or is trying to just get a free meal. Also wouldn't it have been better if you had used undercooked? As most of the complaints are more like getting an undercooked stake than one you might feel is burnt. As yes you got stake. Just not in the way you wanted and thus feel as though it is lacking. If not highly unsatisfying. Unfortunately depending on the restaurant's policies they either will have to cook said stake for longer and risk burning it cause the cooking process doesn't stop just because you took it out of the pan. Or to throw it away and start anew. Which of course means at least 10 more minutes at the bare minimum. Where in the mean time said unhappy customer is needed to be kept complacent as the waitstaff gets to feel the "joy" of carrying the burden of the entire mistake.

[SturmChurro]

So after paying some 15$ bucks per month, we get 2 (two) hours of MSQ per 4.5 months and some content which dies in a 1 or 2 weeks. I don't know chief, your f2p game doesn't seem that bad after all.

That is a pretty bad for a free to play. Genshin/Star Rail has Gacha, and Genshin at least has frequent, quality, updates, and a faster schedule than this game. I do agree though, they actually want us to pay a sub here, and we get laughably little for it. Anyone who doesn't have a house has it good, since they can unsub, but then they also don't have a house, so an entire feature they miss out on.

If I had to guess, the game they are referring to sounds like SWTOR, but I haven't played that game in like 7 years. I do know they had infrequent updates, and loot boxes. I heard that a relatively recent update they did was quite short.

[Absimiliard]

Playing victims are we? typical

Listen, I get that you're trying to devalue the opinions of those you disagree with by making baseless inferences, but I don't think it's going to work quite how you hope it will. You're being too transparent with it. Try harder.

That's how it's been for a while. It's easier to deny that people who are happy with how the game is overall are capable of allowing said enjoyment outweigh the few qualms they might have. Or for some people to insist that if they have been around as long as them that they too must also behave like chicken little or feel as though they're the boy who cried wolf at the end of the story. That there is no conceivable way that someone who's been around as long as them and even enjoyed some of the same things as them in the past could still have a bigger overall enjoyment of the game. It just gets tiring after awhile as these discussions don't go anywhere. Nothing anyone who might still have an optimistic or overall positive view says will change their minds.

I think I've said this to you once, but I'm going to say it again: Do you genuinely think this game has nothing wrong with it? For that matter, what is it about seeing the game criticized that makes you and others equate it with trying to ruin other people's fun or as personal attacks? People are entitled to their opinions, and they do not deserve to be continually derided simply because of differing opinions. Disagreements are fine, but the baseless accusations and outright insults have gotten a little old at this point. Moreover, I've yet to see anyone flat out tell someone they are wrong for enjoying the game. Quite the opposite, in fact - the consensus among those speaking out about their criticisms has been to go enjoy the game if that's what makes you happy.

You say few qualms, but what about those of us that have many qualms with it? I for one absolutely abhor what it has become. You claim these discussions are tiring because our minds can't be changed, but uh... saying the game has X, so you shouldn't dislike Y does not change the fact Y is something people don't like? No one has said the game has absolutely nothing going for it. Some of us just don't like where it's going, and as a result quite a few of us no longer play. We wouldn't say anything at all if we didn't care. The opposite of love is not hate - it's indifference. Hate means you still care.

People aren't looking to have their minds changed. They're looking to field their opinions in the hopes someone, anyone, on the dev team will actually listen. That is it. It isn't about trying to turn people away from the game, harming the game's image, or wtfever else it is certain forum posters keep insisting. It's just a matter of trying to, as we see it, prevent the game from going in a direction that is bad. We all know full well our feedback is meaningless, but the human mind is very bad at processing hopelessness. People will continue trying even in the face the absolute certainty they will fail.