Mandeville Weapons will likely remain the same come 6.45 (Yoshida interview)

[VictorSpoils]

I'd rather the later steps be the tedious ones than the inverse. It's not like the first 1-2 steps for past relics were that excruciating either (other than the 60 memories in ShB, which is still a miserable grind when no one else is doing it). But something like that could be turned into a FATE grind so it can give gemstones as well.

[Shougun]

I am pretty certain Eureka relics still can only be progressed inside Eureka, every single step has one option and one option only.

Ah sorry, I mentally locked on Bozja and use eureka to refer to all of those contents including Bozja. For clarity just associated them, as I did for DD/V&C, but lost clarity doing that because unlike DD which is specifically a concept eureka is a concept and a location. 11/10 communication lol.

I was meaning the Bozja options, edited my response to remove the pointless / misleading parallel.

In context though that'd be an example where the option existing was welcome as the content can die or be of or not be of interest. I know outside could be faster but in Bozja you also earned a lot of other stuff (I am also aware not every step had the same approach to options).

[TaleraRistain]

I am pretty certain Eureka relics still can only be progressed inside Eureka, every single step has one option and one option only.

As someone suffering through Pagos now, this is still the case. You need massive amounts of crystals to get them all, and even a decent number if you just want to do one or two. You have to waste so much of your life in these zones doing nothing else because they're instances so it isn't even something you can do while waiting for a DF queue or specific DF queues you can focus on to get upgrades.

I will be disappointed if the next step on Manderville is tomes again, no lie. I never want to see something like Eureka's setup again because it's not future-proofed at all. But I think they took the feedback on that to the letter instead of the spirit. Many who disliked the adventure zone relic system wanted variety. Bozja was a good step in that direction. We could do things in Bozja if we wanted. We could also go outside Bozja. They didn't have a proper balance there, though, because both methods should have been equal. Not the non-Bozjan being guaranteed and Bozja not being guaranteed. They also faltered with bottleneck steps like requiring CLL and the timeworn artifact step with only two incredibly bad options.

Relic items for tomes does satisfy the mindset of wanting more variety and does allow options, but I know my general feeling was I just wanted to not be closeted away from the game and to be given more options, but still have them be specific options we could choose from instead of just anything that provides a certain tomestone. I was hoping Manderville would use some of the new content. The V&C would be good choices, as well as Deep Dungeon.

[Vahlnir]

In the interview with YoshiP on 6.4 from GameWatch/Famitsu/4Gamer/DengekiOnline:

Q: Mandaville Weapon has progressed in the form of consuming Allagan tomestones and exchanging necessary items in both stages so far, but will patch 6.45 follow the same flow? Or will it be a new process?

Yoshi: I don't really want to say "This is what needs to be collected" before the implementation, so let me refrain from talking about it (laughs). However, in terms of the flow, the intention this time is for players to be able to upgrade (the weapon) while playing various contents at the same time, so please be assured that there will be no major changes.

[seolhyun]

SHB = most hype and most players of all time joining the game

SE = "lets make EW the most boring xpac of all time"

[Heavenchild]

For me this is very disappointing. :/

[aveyond-dreams]

SHB = most hype and most players of all time joining the game

SE = "lets make EW the most boring xpac of all time"

Unironically what ended up happening.

A solid story, and despite the COVID delay Bozja, Delubrum Reginae, and Zadnor ended up keeping me entertained along with the EX trials having dragon mounts which I liked to farm.

And now we're at the story having 800+ pages of criticisms levied at it, a Deep Dungeon that no one needs because people levelled to max earlier thanks to extended patch cycles, terrible trial weapons and mounts, and no unique relic content. Exploratory zones for this expansion being sacrificed at the feet of dead on arrival Island Sanctuary and Criterion Dungeons will come to be regarded as one of the darkest moments in this game's history.

Assuming 7.0 and 7.X don't somehow manage to be worse. As much as I want to see the game do well, how can I hope for any improvements when all of my confidence is gone?

[Vahlnir]

Unironically what ended up happening.

A solid story, and despite the COVID delay Bozja, Delubrum Reginae, and Zadnor ended up keeping me entertained along with the EX trials having dragon mounts which I liked to farm.

And now we're at the story having 800+ pages of criticisms levied at it, a Deep Dungeon that no one needs because people levelled to max earlier thanks to extended patch cycles, terrible trial weapons and mounts, and no unique relic content. Exploratory zones for this expansion being sacrificed at the feet of dead on arrival Island Sanctuary and Criterion Dungeons will come to be regarded as one of the darkest moments in this game's history.

Assuming 7.0 and 7.X don't somehow manage to be worse. As much as I want to see the game do well, how can I hope for any improvements when all of my confidence is gone?

Honestly, 6.4 is their last chance for me. If they don't knock my socks off somehow, I'm going to take an extended vacation, even if it means losing my house. That isn't a decision I will (preferably not) make lightly. It's not like I've actually been playing in any capacity for over a month now anyway. It would just save me the hassle and allow my sub to be free from its hostage situation.

[Boblawblah]

Honestly, 6.4 is their last chance for me. If they don't knock my socks off somehow, I'm going to take an extended vacation, even if it means losing my house. That isn't a decision I will (preferably not) make lightly. It's not like I've actually been playing in any capacity for over a month now anyway. It would just save me the hassle and allow my sub to be free from its hostage situation.

This is the best way to share your criticism imo. Vote with your wallet, it's really the only thing that will matter in the end.

[Vahlnir]

This is the best way to share your criticism imo. Vote with your wallet, it's really the only thing that will matter in the end.

Yep. I've tried to be patient while hoping that things would improve, but my patience has its limits. There are some things I simply won't put up with, and wasting money is one of those things.