Mandeville Weapons will likely remain the same come 6.45 (Yoshida interview)

[Shougun]

I am fine with options, I personally think relic should be accessible (and not focused for hard only content, which it generally has never really been, outside of nightmare atma farms, but ive seen suggested), but does make me wonder why at minimum something to use this expansion's DD wasn't also done.. seems underutilized.. could have been tomes and the V&C content (and maybe add other things, moogle tomes to V&C at least lol).

Definitely not against tomes as one option, personally probably more helpful for me lol so..not a negative, but for people who play a lot being directed to do different things is uh.. pretty good too lol. Like when relic could progress in and out of Bozja. (EDIT: removed eureka parallel, misleading reference).

Options are also nice crutch if one avenue dies, like if you used exclusively diadem for a relic step.. good luck doing that later lol.

[VeyaAkemi]

Like when relic could progress in and out of Bozja / eureka.

I am pretty certain Eureka relics still can only be progressed inside Eureka, every single step has one option and one option only.

[Shougun]

I am pretty certain Eureka relics still can only be progressed inside Eureka, every single step has one option and one option only.

Ah sorry, I mentally locked on Bozja and use eureka to refer to all of those contents including Bozja. For clarity just associated them, as I did for DD/V&C, but lost clarity doing that because unlike DD which is specifically a concept eureka is a concept and a location. 11/10 communication lol.

I was meaning the Bozja options, edited my response to remove the pointless / misleading parallel.

In context though that'd be an example where the option existing was welcome as the content can die or be of or not be of interest. I know outside could be faster but in Bozja you also earned a lot of other stuff (I am also aware not every step had the same approach to options).

[TaleraRistain]

I am pretty certain Eureka relics still can only be progressed inside Eureka, every single step has one option and one option only.

As someone suffering through Pagos now, this is still the case. You need massive amounts of crystals to get them all, and even a decent number if you just want to do one or two. You have to waste so much of your life in these zones doing nothing else because they're instances so it isn't even something you can do while waiting for a DF queue or specific DF queues you can focus on to get upgrades.

I will be disappointed if the next step on Manderville is tomes again, no lie. I never want to see something like Eureka's setup again because it's not future-proofed at all. But I think they took the feedback on that to the letter instead of the spirit. Many who disliked the adventure zone relic system wanted variety. Bozja was a good step in that direction. We could do things in Bozja if we wanted. We could also go outside Bozja. They didn't have a proper balance there, though, because both methods should have been equal. Not the non-Bozjan being guaranteed and Bozja not being guaranteed. They also faltered with bottleneck steps like requiring CLL and the timeworn artifact step with only two incredibly bad options.

Relic items for tomes does satisfy the mindset of wanting more variety and does allow options, but I know my general feeling was I just wanted to not be closeted away from the game and to be given more options, but still have them be specific options we could choose from instead of just anything that provides a certain tomestone. I was hoping Manderville would use some of the new content. The V&C would be good choices, as well as Deep Dungeon.