This game is on a terrible state right now.

[AwesomeJr44]

Note: They do check player feedback.

Alright, you got a laugh out of me, good job.

If not for the - quite frankly, creepy - cult that has formed around Yoshi-P it would never have been taken seriously. Interestingly, a lot of the people who echo it started the game years later and simply echo it without having been around themselves when it was first spoken.

And it never should have been taken seriously. It was a rather foolish thing for him to say.

I also don't think many people expect to be catered to 24/7 - there just isn't much in the way of content with staying power and depth,

^ This. There doesn't need to be enough content to keep people around 24/7 but a 'major' patch that we waited 4 months for shouldn't last a grand total of 4 hours.

[Shougun]

Alright, you got a laugh out of me, good job.

Strongly believe they listen to feedback (listen does not mean always copy/execute, naturally), my post count is a bit absurd but there are so many parallels to something I've wished for and seen at this point I can't believe anything else. Not light stuff either... That said I am also fairly patient and definitely notice there is some time between, which makes sense.

I've also seen other people's feedback represented. Naturally there is some variation from what is desired and delivered, which is good to some elements as they're the ones with the actual skillset to make the game and it is their game on top of that, but due to those changes may occasionally miss the original key of the desire. I feel people saying what they want to see with why can be helpful, usually I just see either one or none lol. On top of that it's not uncommon to see people desire something and then explain what / why and it doesn't really jive... so there is that too.

There is of course the potential they're getting the feedback for something someone wants and just patently disagree, whether that is for right or wrong choice it's something I've seen or at least felt- funnily enough due to the pipe line them listening to feedback but not giving feedback to players can be confused for "working on it but these things take time". "WHY U IGNORING ME" SE: "I'M NOT, UR BREAD IS BAKING, STAPH".

Anyways... I feel they care / listen, just maybe not at the timescale / speed someone is wanting or the idea hasn't convinced them is worth it yet. Still give feedback, and at this point almost exclusively make up my posts, because I feel strongly as such. Though it could certainly be enhanced if we had more back and forth communication, something Theo touched upon. There are somethings I've seen that are suspiciously and auspiciously similar to something I saw someone, or myself, wish for... a year or seven ago and it's like.. *snaps fingers* I recognize that lol.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Strongly believe they listen to feedback (listen does not mean always copy/execute, naturally), my post count is a bit absurd but there are so many parallels to something I've wished for and seen at this point I can't believe anything else. Not light stuff either... That said I am also fairly patient and definitely notice there is some time between, which makes sense.

I've also seen other people's feedback represented. Naturally there is some variation from what is desired and delivered, which is good to some elements as they're the ones with the actual skillset to make the game and it is their game on top of that, but due to those changes may occasionally miss the original key of the desire. I feel people saying what they want to see with why can be helpful, usually I just see either one or none lol. On top of that it's not uncommon to see people desire something and then explain what / why and it doesn't really jive... so there is that too.

There is of course the potential they're getting the feedback for something someone wants and just patently disagree, whether that is for right or wrong choice it's something I've seen or at least felt- funnily enough due to the pipe line them listening to feedback but not giving feedback to players can be confused for "working on it but these things take time". "WHY U IGNORING ME" SE: "I'M NOT, UR BREAD IS BAKING, STAPH".

Anyways... I feel they care / listen, just maybe not at the timescale / speed someone is wanting or the idea hasn't convinced them is worth it yet. Still give feedback, and at this point almost exclusively make up my posts, because I feel strongly as such. Though it could certainly be enhanced if we had more back and forth communication, something Theo touched upon. There are somethings I've seen that are suspiciously and auspiciously similar to something I saw someone, or myself, wish for... a year or seven ago and it's like.. *snaps fingers* I recognize that lol.

There are some things that I feel that people have been clamoring for years that have yet to be delivered but for the most part they do listen to feedback. Whether it be engine issues, or lack of talent in coding (they seriously need to hire better talent for this as I feel a lot of issues are completely possible) or they're busy with their own work schedules in other parts of this game etc. We just dont know what's going on behind closed doors to fairly make judgements but its certainly the easiest thing to do, as people like R041 or AwesomeJr or me have been doing.

Its all very tiring, and it'll continue to be tiring for both sides case. We need better communication on the NA side or heck since somebody pointed out how the JPN playerbase actually feels like they listen to the NA side more this just means they've been very lax with player communication. The only form we ever see is with LLs and thats not good enough.

[RyuDragnier]

Its all very tiring, and it'll continue to be tiring for both sides case. We need better communication on the NA side or heck since somebody pointed out how the JPN playerbase actually feels like they listen to the NA side more this just means they've been very lax with player communication. The only form we ever see is with LLs and thats not good enough.

It doesn't help that the JP fans can actually be WORSE than the fans in the west. The dev team have gotten actual death threats and harassment from players in Japan. They may have reached a point to where they feel it's safer for them to not say a damned thing.

[AwesomeJr44]

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I'd be a lot more trusting of SE's feedback processes if they showed signs of actually listening to feedback. Yoshi having a shocked or surprised reaction when given feedback that's been available for years isn't a good look. That doesn't tell me that the devs are reading feedback and disagreeing with it, that tells me that they are ignoring it outright. The devs seem very out of touch when things like that happen.

Aside of that, I'm definitely not opposed to more communication

Agreed. There definitely needs to be more open communication between the devs and the playerbase.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I'd be a lot more trusting of SE's feedback processes if they showed signs of actually listening to feedback. Yoshi having a shocked or surprised reaction when given feedback that's been available for years isn't a good look. That doesn't tell me that the devs are reading feedback and disagreeing with it, that tells me that they are ignoring it outright. The devs seem very out of touch when things like that happen.



Agreed. There definitely needs to be more open communication between the devs and the playerbase.

Wasnt that a reaction from a story thing and not from gameplay? You know...the thing that actually matters in an MMO?

[SturmChurro]

There doesn't need to be enough content to keep people around 24/7 but a 'major' patch that we waited 4 months for shouldn't last a grand total of 4 hours.

It would be nice to have more content that isn't one and done.

Wasnt that a reaction from a story thing and not from gameplay? You know...the thing that actually matters in an MMO?

Speaking of story, I bit the bullet and one of the games I have been playing this year has been Genshin Impact and, as of this moment, Honkai Star Rail. Star Rail just came out, and I don't really know what there content cadence will be (although, I suspect it will be similar to Genshin), so I will just bring up Genshin.

Yes, you can have your criticisms of Genshin being gacha, or an anime game, but what I am trying to bring up it's content cadence. It is a largely casual game with little to no.. actually no endgame, but being a story based game it releases story content quite frequently. Main story patches with world expansions, events - with story content, special events with voice acting and cutscenes that feature.. story content, character stories, hangout stories.. The patch scheduling in ffxiv is just too slow. A lot of people playing for story are just replaying everything over and over again through alts. Of course, many of them are doing it because they (somehow) like doing it, but it's pretty sad that people have to wait so long on a so called "story game" for the tiny bit they do get.