This game is on a terrible state right now.

[Kazhar]

Not true, Dont know why it has to be said so many times, FFXIV is not perfect, and never be afraid to voice your concerns or opinions.
And the same thing happens on both sides, somebody makes a positive thread, somebody comes in to trash the thread and call people Shills.

Sure, EW critics made more than a few spicy posts and some of them were downright bad. But the intentionals derailment always came from your side. Graeham? The random "lol the funny burger" memes right when anyone opens their mouth about the story? Or all that annoying crap about not prefacing posts with "I think", "In my opinion" instead of actually arguing about what's being said?
That's all you.

[Kickwars]

Sure, EW critics made more than a few spicy posts and some of them were downright bad. But the intentionals derailment always came from your side. Graeham? The random "lol the funny burger" memes right when anyone opens their mouth about the story? Or all that annoying crap about not prefacing posts with "I think", "In my opinion" instead of actually arguing about what's being said?
That's all you.

OK but this shit is hilarious:




~You may defeat us but our principal is in violet. Indivisible.~
~God King Solus and the Princess Svelte Lana~

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Sure, EW critics made more than a few spicy posts and some of them were downright bad. But the intentionals derailment always came from your side. Graeham? The random "lol the funny burger" memes right when anyone opens their mouth about the story? Or all that annoying crap about not prefacing posts with "I think", "In my opinion" instead of actually arguing about what's being said?
That's all you.

So its wrong to encourage Proper English to make a Clear point? So that people dont get the idea that the Poster is talking like what they say is just Objective fact? I dont apologize for this. Sure I know the internet has its own "Rules" but Im just built differently, I like people to attempt to speak clearly, and if misunderstood, have no issue in clarifying the meaning behind what they say so that its understood. I practice this, which is why I get upset when what I say gets twisted and the person obviously didnt understand me, but just jumps to conclusions instead of getting clarification.

Also, the Stupid Burger Meme only got so much traction, because Aveyond mentioned it and brought it up So-Many-Times in his rants! The Food meme wouldnt have happened if they mentioned it ONCE and never again. Might sound victim-blaming, but thats how it happened.
Criticism against EW and FFXIV as a whole is not a problem. MANY of the things said are agreed on. Not everything of course, but the response shouldnt be to come at the person and call them a Shill or Whatever because they might like what someone else doesnt like, or have a different opinion or Experience.

It was both sides. I actually thought Graeham was on the EW is bad side. As a lot of the times they posted they agreed with stuff that was said. I just stopped reading their posts cause it was hard to follow and understand. As I said it's one thing to post an opinion and have it come off as that. It's another when someone states an opinion and then treats it as fact. As some people on here tend to do and then get mad when you point it out. The whole burger stuff wouldn't even became a thing if a poster or two didn't practically write an essay about how they didn't feel as though it was money well spent by the devs.

People can make criticisms about the game. It's just any time anyone disagrees with an Op that is doing so people almost instantly start calling those that do shills or white knights ect. That those who disagree with whatever view point must enjoy and like all aspects of the game. Then people will try and say things like this doesn't happen with positive threads. Yet when someone does try to make a positive thread it doesn't even last a whole page before someone like Stormpeaks or RO41 to come in and write one of their typical responses to anything positive said about the game.

Some people on here come off so bitter about the game. To the point they seem surprised when others ask them why are they still playing it. Or they're looking at the past with the rose colored glasses they accuse other of wearing. Others make it look like all they ever want to do is nitpick.

[Kickwars]

So its wrong to encourage Proper English to make a Clear point?

I'm trying so hard.

[SannaR]

Sure, EW critics made more than a few spicy posts and some of them were downright bad. But the intentionals derailment always came from your side. Graeham? The random "lol the funny burger" memes right when anyone opens their mouth about the story? Or all that annoying crap about not prefacing posts with "I think", "In my opinion" instead of actually arguing about what's being said?
That's all you.

It was both sides. I actually thought Graeham was on the EW is bad side. As a lot of the times they posted they agreed with stuff that was said. I just stopped reading their posts cause it was hard to follow and understand. As I said it's one thing to post an opinion and have it come off as that. It's another when someone states an opinion and then treats it as fact. As some people on here tend to do and then get mad when you point it out. The whole burger stuff wouldn't even became a thing if a poster or two didn't practically write an essay about how they didn't feel as though it was money well spent by the devs.

People can make criticisms about the game. It's just any time anyone disagrees with an Op that is doing so people almost instantly start calling those that do shills or white knights ect. That those who disagree with whatever view point must enjoy and like all aspects of the game. Then people will try and say things like this doesn't happen with positive threads. Yet when someone does try to make a positive thread it doesn't even last a whole page before someone like Stormpeaks or RO41 to come in and write one of their typical responses to anything positive said about the game.

Some people on here come off so bitter about the game. To the point they seem surprised when others ask them why are they still playing it. Or they're looking at the past with the rose colored glasses they accuse other of wearing. Others make it look like all they ever want to do is nitpick.

[Saraide]

It was both sides. I actually thought Graeham was on the EW is bad side. As a lot of the times they posted they agreed with stuff that was said. I just stopped reading their posts cause it was hard to follow and understand. As I said it's one thing to post an opinion and have it come off as that. It's another when someone states an opinion and then treats it as fact. As some people on here tend to do and then get mad when you point it out. The whole burger stuff wouldn't even became a thing if a poster or two didn't practically write an essay about how they didn't feel as though it was money well spent by the devs.

People can make criticisms about the game. It's just any time anyone disagrees with an Op that is doing so people almost instantly start calling those that do shills or white knights ect. That those who disagree with whatever view point must enjoy and like all aspects of the game. Then people will try and say things like this doesn't happen with positive threads. Yet when someone does try to make a positive thread it doesn't even last a whole page before someone like Stormpeaks or RO41 to come in and write one of their typical responses to anything positive said about the game.

Some people on here come off so bitter about the game. To the point they seem surprised when others ask them why are they still playing it. Or they're looking at the past with the rose colored glasses they accuse other of wearing. Others make it look like all they ever want to do is nitpick.

Graeham has always just been a parody on the story haters. The broken english is part of the bit.

[ronibosch]

Graeham has always just been a parody on the story haters. The broken english is part of the bit.

I'll confess: my gullible ass fell for it. I think I was charmed by his (her? Their?) colorful use of the English language.

Also, I really wanted to believe that the act was genuine. Kind of like wanting to believe in magic.

[SannaR]

Graeham has always just been a parody on the story haters. The broken english is part of the bit.

Huh you learn something new everyday. Obviously fooled me. And this is why people who respond to some other OPs with this is bait only to get people who go omg why can't you take things people say seriously. As there are people at least in the past who do write that way and aren't trying to mock or whatnot. It's like what I said to a friend one time there are people out there who aren't memeing about their loathing about certain characters or parts of the story. That really do feel in such a way about those things. Like back during ARR, HW, or SB no one would take a person complaining about the story if one of the reasons why they didn't like it back then is because we didn't go to the moon. Practically everyone back then would have pointed and laughed at them. As there was nothing in the story or from the devs the that would suggest such a thing.

Yet, there are those who still make those kinds of complaints or fully believe crap like skills gained from job crystals being equipped are equal to the use of a Staples easy button. And then when someone does try to give those types at their word you get people replying why did you take the bait. Then there are posters who seem to not see that another's reply to something was soaking in sarcasm that they take it at face value. Thus causing misunderstanding. Which no one then tries to clear up.

[Renalt]

Graeham has always just been a parody on the story haters. The broken english is part of the bit.

Wait that was a bit? I just thought English wasn't his first language and that's why it was bad. However his broken english as a 2nd language is better than some people where English is their only language.

Is that guy still around?

[Kickwars]

I actually thought Graeham was on the EW is bad side. As a lot of the times they posted they agreed with stuff that was said. I just stopped reading their posts cause it was hard to follow and understand.

LOL

He was mocking certain people, who, to be fair, also produced enough mockable content.