This game is on a terrible state right now.

[Padudu]

I don't know but if people are willing to eat up that farming an umpteenth number of FATEs either for past relics or for Eureka-esque relics as 'content' and fun, then yes the exact same can be applied to achievements provided they offer a reward that the person deems worth working toward.

Hurray, got a relic just in time for 7.0 before it gets routinely plunged into irrelevancy by Level 95 to most likely never be used again.

Or is the cookie just not tasty enough for you?

The cookie wasn't tasty enough for most people, apparently. That's why people bitched endlessly about ARR, HW relic grind lmao. SE listened and that's why the EW relic grind isn't really that much of a grind so far, is it?

Let's not pretend that making people grind endlessly for achievements, relics, or anything like that is oodles amount of content, or is what people really want to do. People bitched endlessly about BLU going nowhere too, and that's a grind to a dead end wall.

[R041]

No, you're dealing with people who clearly play the game in a different way from you, and are also clearly goal-driven people, that's just all there is to it. There are plenty of people that play with completionism mindsets, be it mounts, minions, achievements, or gear in mind, and clearly, they get a much longer sense of fulfillment out of the game - Something that you apparently seem incapable of understanding and coming to terms with.

People are mostly just expressing it in the sense of "Have you tried working towards this, or seeing the game in this way" - Rather than a 'You have to go do xyz"

You all act like sandbox games haven't been goal driven since forever. That ain't the problem. lool

XIV goal driven Content: "10000 bites of turd" 10pts




I have a goal driven brain, and that's why I basically just farm Auction House. It's one of the only viable goals in this game. Not 10pts from eating turd.

[Padudu]

You all act like sandbox games haven't been goal driven since forever. That ain't the problem. lool

XIV goal driven Content: "10000 bites of turd" 10pts

If these people think that people like the grind, they are fooling themselves lol. That's why SE listened to the people complaining about the relic grind and chose to make 2 steps achievable thru getting tomestones. Even the relic grind for crafting/gatherer isn't that much of a grind. It takes like what, maybe 1-2 hours to do per relic? The only repeatable content that makes you "grind" for it is Island Sanctuary, and that's timegated. Orthos? You're done after 4 times and maybe a solo. EW actually has less repeatable content by far compared to the other expansions. I wonder why that is

[Kaurhz]

You all act like sandbox games haven't been goal driven since forever. That ain't the problem. lool

Don't think I ever said otherwise, I just said that some people are heavily goal-driven, and inferred that some people are clearly more goal-driven than others hence why they don't mind, and in many instances actually enjoy farming for achievements, and get more longevity out of the game.

Made no inference that such games didn't have a mechanic or that they weren't goal driven, just that some folk are more goal-driven than others.

Or was this implication lost on your impulse desire to use such a worthless picture? Seen you've used this like several times so apparently you like recycling assets as much as SE, well done I suppose.

[R041]

Or was this implication lost on your impulse desire to use such a worthless picture? Seen you've used this like several times so apparently you like recycling assets as much as SE, well done I suppose.

I enjoy the memes I make, it's another goal I have. I have an imaginary quota too.

Gotta keep goal driven, or you go crazy in this world you know?

[george357]

well another troll baiting dumpster fire no thank you

[Atelier-Bagur]

I enjoy the memes I make, it's another goal I have. I have an imaginary quota too.

Gotta keep goal driven, or you go crazy in this world you know?

To be honest the "Be who you want to be" or "Play your own way" or any corporate slogan that follows the BK formula means nothing in this day and age as it is a cheap way to get suckers into buying their products.

Im seeing this kind of slogan pop up so much recently in games

[Kaurhz]

The cookie wasn't tasty enough for most people, apparently. That's why people bitched endlessly about ARR, HW relic grind lmao. SE listened and that's why the EW relic grind isn't really that much of a grind so far, is it?

Let's not pretend that making people grind endlessly for achievements, relics, or anything like that is oodles amount of content, or is what people really want to do. People bitched endlessly about BLU going nowhere too, and that's a grind to a dead end wall.

That's attributed to several reasons, be it the method of obtaining them. People have endlessly complained of the method and the choice or lack thereof, and their response was to just tie it to tomestones, giving people the greatest degree of flexibility possible. Even relics back in the day of ShB for step-2 were churnable within a couple of hours if you so wished, and similarly could do many stages concurrently. I'd argue the grind was just as easy back then, frankly.

Good then you're of a fairly cohesive argument and we can quite as happily conclude that the product has always practically been in this state. It's absolutely nothing new in this regard, as much as people would like to parade otherwise.

Dungeons were always corridor simulators with very very little in the way of threatening design.
Relics were always garbage that recycled older content and gave a false illusion of bountiful content, under the guise that the cookie for once was tasty enough for you.
The content was a once-in-once-out-esque piecemeal. People were hardly on the edge of their seats getting excited over Doman Reconstruction aka the weekly piecemeal. Just as people weren't lining up in droves to experience the umpteenth failure of exploratory Diadem.

My point is, and as I have said at an earlier point in time, absolutely nothing is new with this respect and people are just looking at their older experiences with rose-tinted glasses, and could hardly see the fact that if they were to release an expansion the exact same as HW or SB right now, then absolutely nothing would change, if you were starved with EW, you'd be just as starved had they released any other expansion at this point in time. Well, minus the fact we'd be complaining about Pagos and/or poetics.

I enjoy the memes I make, it's another goal I have. I have an imaginary quota too.

Gotta keep goal driven, or you go crazy in this world you know?

Basically how the game has always been then. Farming 5000 Fieldcraft leves is no different whatsoever from farming 200 FATEs for an Atma or for your little luminous crystals. That's my point, and somehow people bent over the illusion that the latter consists of more content than the former is bizarre or is more content than the other for that matter.

My point also stands that some people just have a knack for those things and enjoy it, and that some people apparently feel personally attacked by this idea, e.g., yourself. At any rate have a good day talking to a brick wall /shrug.

[R041]

To be honest the "Be who you want to be" or "Play your own way" or any corporate slogan that follows the BK formula means nothing in this day and age as it is a cheap way to get suckers into buying their products.

Im seeing this kind of slogan pop up so much recently in games

Yeah, the problem is that's from their new ad campaign that just started promoting Free Trial. Everyone sitting around a campfire talking about all the cool stuff they did, like it's multiplayer. But nobody talks about how they walked back and forth for hours reading text in a linear single-player MSQ. lol

It's like they want their game to be open world sandbox, but forget what they actually created.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vmw0NnpAb4

[Rufalus]

It warms me a little when I see people come together to dump on the game. I don't think it's a terrible game but it has a beyond-stale formula and praise isn't helpful in changing that situation. The expansions always receive high critical acclaim, but reviewers are looking at the day one experience. What about the long-term goals months out from a patch for long-term subscribers.

At some point everyone gets a bit tired of earning tomestones to buy gear with boring stats and otherwise just collecting cosmetic stuff like mounts and minions to add to a pile of hundreds of those things. I want to see innovation at the very core of game's systems. The types of main battle content, the types of rewards and the methods of character growth. I'll keep saying similar things every year. Also why does this moogle tomestone event always have pretty much the same list of rewards, plus one new tiny accessory that other players won't notice you wearing.