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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jericho View Post
    it's weird that in my 8 years of playing ffxi, I never, ever once heard someone complain that they didn't like gear swapping.

    I will admit it when I'm wrong, but so far I'm not. The fact that there's only one useful set is a big problem. Toto-Rak, DH, strongholds, shposhae, all are useless and drop useless gear. There's no balance, and DL gear is an obvious winner. Everyone complains about useless gear, but what did you expect? The game is set up for us to actually hold on to one set per class/job. Nothing more. It's set up for us to blow through the levels, so spending time to obtain 15 or 30 gear is a waste of time. You can't deny that.

    But that's what everyone wanted.
    Oh, they never complained about gear-swapping? Why? They were playing it weren't they? If a person didn't enjoy that, they'd simply stop playing. Shit if gear-swapping becomes a regular thing in FFXIV, despite having stuck with this game without any long-term breaks since CE release I will drop it right then and there like a bad habit.

    I'm sorry, but new gear making some old gear obsolete is old news for an MMO. Sure, a lot of the DL gear just released are best in slot. They're also rare as hell. It's called having goals to work toward.
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  2. #62
    New age MMOs = No goals to work for, this is where SE is still living in the past. Giving players goals? Silliness.
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    New age MMOs = No goals to work for, this is where SE is still living in the past. Giving players goals? Silliness.
    That's right. FFXIV should just be Minecraft!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jericho View Post
    it's weird that in my 8 years of playing ffxi, I never, ever once heard someone complain that they didn't like gear swapping.

    I will admit it when I'm wrong, but so far I'm not. The fact that there's only one useful set is a big problem. Toto-Rak, DH, strongholds, shposhae, all are useless and drop useless gear. There's no balance, and DL gear is an obvious winner. Everyone complains about useless gear, but what did you expect? The game is set up for us to actually hold on to one set per class/job. Nothing more. It's set up for us to blow through the levels, so spending time to obtain 15 or 30 gear is a waste of time. You can't deny that.

    But that's what everyone wanted.
    MMORPGs they are ever evolving!
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  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jericho View Post
    it's weird that in my 8 years of playing ffxi, I never, ever once heard someone complain that they didn't like gear swapping.

    I will admit it when I'm wrong, but so far I'm not. The fact that there's only one useful set is a big problem. Toto-Rak, DH, strongholds, shposhae, all are useless and drop useless gear. There's no balance, and DL gear is an obvious winner. Everyone complains about useless gear, but what did you expect? The game is set up for us to actually hold on to one set per class/job. Nothing more. It's set up for us to blow through the levels, so spending time to obtain 15 or 30 gear is a waste of time. You can't deny that.

    But that's what everyone wanted.
    That's weird since in my 5 years of playing I did hear people say they hated it.

    I had a love-hate relationship with it, and I will actually 100% agree that gear-swapping makes more gear viable and useful. If you don't have gear-swapping then you end up just wanting your overall best in slot items for everything, and not for specific spells and abilities. This is simpler and when it's tiered correctly, it's alright and I do like it. But right now we do have a lot of crap gear that really doesn't even feel like it has its own tier of usefulness compared to other alternatives for its slot.

    So, my hate came from how crappy XI's macros were and no, I did not use windower scripts to gearswap. It also took a lot more of your inventory space to do it. My love came from how much it let you further tweak your character, almost spell by spell. If gearswapping came back, it needs to not be in a macro, piece by piece, there needs to be "dress spheres" or the ability to macro a mannequin set on in 1 line.

    I don't think we will see gear swapping, and I definitely will not touch it as it is now until SE either gives us a "yes, do it" or once and for all tells us absolutely not (I feel like they already have but some people seem to be stuck in XI and disagree).
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  6. #66
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    The Explorers gear goes for averagely 500k a piece on market, and it sells pretty often, still worthless?
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    Cause, yanno, getting the best gear all the time without nothing bad coming in the way is the best route for any game. You need to have bad gear. I don't care how random it is. You still need it to even it out. So what if you get one pair more than another? Keep going, quit complaining, or just buy it off the wards.

    Go.
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  8. #68
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    +1 to bring back gear swapping.

    It is silly not to have it, plenty of MMO's do not just FFXI. I don't understand the argument against it, you have to carry too many items? It breaks immersion? Tough luck. Having gear last exponentially longer, and making itemization so much deeper is worth both of those.

    If not allowing us to swap gear in 2.0, please at least give us activated effects on gear (such as in Vanguard) and allow us to use the effects if the item is in our inventory. Killing some highly notorious monster should never become passé because none of the gear it drops is useful any longer. It is completely backwards game design logic, no one asked them to trivialize endgame content after 1-2 patches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murugan View Post
    +1 to bring back gear swapping.

    It is silly not to have it, plenty of MMO's do not just FFXI. I don't understand the argument against it, you have to carry too many items? It breaks immersion? Tough luck. Having gear last exponentially longer, and making itemization so much deeper is worth both of those.

    If not allowing us to swap gear in 2.0, please at least give us activated effects on gear (such as in Vanguard) and allow us to use the effects if the item is in our inventory. Killing some highly notorious monster should never become passé because none of the gear it drops is useful any longer. It is completely backwards game design logic, no one asked them to trivialize endgame content after 1-2 patches.
    Too bad you've already been overruled by the devs, gear swapping is, rightfully, staying out of this game.
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    Yeah I agree. Without gear swaps 99% of our current 'endgame' exclusive gear is trash. Regardless if someone's willing to pay 500k+ for the novelty of having certain peices the gear is effectively useless. XIV's current system forces you to find the "best-in-slot" for the whole encounter, which knocks practically anything unmaterialized out of the picture (even including some of those Darklight pieces.. in fact, not being a tank there's only one Darklight piece I'd really even care for..). I realize the content is easy and spammable, but shouldn't there be more motivation to do it than just getting the clear? Even the primal weapons get beat out by simple double melded weapons.. I got one Ifrit wep and one Moogle Wep just to say I got it.. and now only do that content to help other ppl. SE really needs to go ahead and put out some not so-easy and not so-spammable content so we can start actually caring about the loot that drops, when it drops..
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