Some MMO we have

[LianaThorne]

What I actually don't get is the venue hate. Every MMO ever made tends to become a bit of a social hub with time. The way XIV does housing lends itself to people opening places for those that want to come hang out. It's just the nature of an MMO. I get what you're saying with the other tabs, but where a venue can happen any day at any time, battle content depends on a lot of varying factors such as time of day, DC, time of week (reclears) and a lot of content gets match made via Duty Finder rather than PF. Some people also legit dislike using PF to do EX/SVG and prefer to do premades, even just casually. It varies.

I guess some may call me a shill, and go ahead if that's what floats your boat. I just don't like using single graphs/images to make absolute statements about the game's health. I think the best opinions are built upon different sources of data, doing some analysis, and considering as many variables as possible, though you're free to post whatever you feel like, of course. Maybe you just have a hate boner or something? I don't know, I may be wrong and I do apologize if I got the wrong idea, but it comes across a bit like that. And with how much people antagonize each other (for seemingly no reason) I usually find posts like this to be rather... "dull" I think it's the word I'm looking for? A single image doesn't tell the whole story of any game, and any meaningful conversation gets lost in the middle of often times simplistic absolute statements.

*Edit: I miss HM Dungeons, honestly. They were perfect as Midcore content, and allowed for new stories to be told in remixed dungeons that we got to explore with some unique mechanics here and there. I wish these made a comeback.

Speaking off my own opinion, I genuinely think the venue community exists to profit off players, not for the sake of RP as some would claim. It was understandable during the peak of the pandemic that venues would crop up to replace actual ones irl but I think a large majority that exist now exist simply because they realized there's gil in it or actual cash if we look at the DJ side of things via Twitch. It just doesn't sit right with me to profit off a community that used to just be free and open to everyone and now there's hardly any kind of non-monetized RP left. It's just sad coming from where it used to be a couple years ago where there was much more variety and now there's only clubs and brothels.

I also think the venue community is up there in terms of toxicity and use the excuse of "RP" to hurt other people but that's an entirely other story.

[DiaDeem]

I also think the venue community is up there in terms of toxicity and use the excuse of "RP" to hurt other people but that's an entirely other story.

Got me thinking of all those Patrha drama stories on YouTube.

It's just sad coming from where it used to be a couple years ago where there was much more variety and now there's only clubs and brothels.

I genuinely feel that after the Asmongold arrival, most people got the idea that "XIV RP = Dance Club+ERP" and nobody ever stopped to pay attention to the small taverns, cafes and other smaller places that there were. Some remain.