Give me your most unhinged Job take that you still genuinely believe in.

[RyuDragnier]

And instead of bumping those jobs up, SE decided to drag everyone else down. Sure, some things needed adjustments in order to give a more leveled playing field but SE took it to the extreme and just made the gameplay overall less engaging as a result

The problem is how some of the jobs were. Look at NIN, TA was the main reason why it was taken constantly. Had TA been given to another DPS, if their damage had been any higher NIN would have been pushed out because the other DPS would have been better due to higher damage. If the other job did lower damage, NIN still would have been taken. That's the problem with the meta, it min/maxes things, so ANY discrepancy can lead to a job being dropped from the meta. If a job didn't have anything that aligned properly with the rest of the party's burst, they were also dropped. So the devs decided to give everybody a 2m burst window to make the playerbase knock it off...which has led to...well, complaints about it.

[Semirhage]

And instead of bumping those jobs up, SE decided to drag everyone else down. Sure, some things needed adjustments in order to give a more leveled playing field but SE took it to the extreme and just made the gameplay overall less engaging as a result

Therein is the problem: "bumping those jobs up" doesn't solve the issue at hand. When you have jobs with utility and jobs without, what do you get? Heavensward and Stormblood. You have an upper class of jobs that is just better in every way. Their numbers are high and their utility is great. Then you have the Chopped Liver jobs: the ones whose numbers are fine and....that's all they do. Numbers.

Oldschool singleplayer RPGs at least understood that a jack of all trades had to give something up for it; if you have a class that can do everything and is also good at everything, that's basically the definition of overpowered. And if you "bump up" the non-utility jobs, you know exactly what happens. The "more complex" job mains screech and moan that they deserve the higher output for being "harder". You can't win. I think there's room for a game that's designed with different jobs, that have different strengths, that get catered to by different content.

But FFXIV isn't that game, because all the combat system cares about is damage. Because Squeenix thinks it's okay to have a divide between utilityless baby jobs and "complex" jobs stuffed to bursting with utility, while also thinking it's possible to balance that out. I want the variety of Heavensward back, but I don't want the boring landscape where you had 8 jobs that were just flat better than the others. At the very least I've heard WoW tends to shake up jobs every expansion instead of FFXIV's "and the bland utilityless no-frills job continues to be bland and designed for novices. Oh no, how is it possible that we have a super clear meta that was obvious from the get-go, how could this have been? Who could have predicted that the jobs we designed to be good at everything were...good at everything?"

This is some basic class balance stuff that XIV refuses. There is a third way that isn't Everyone Is Homogenized or Haha Eat It Non-Utility Jobs, We're Just Better.

[Payadopa]

Ironically the first problem led to the 2nd. People pulled this back in HW and SB, which is what led to ShB and EW. The playerbase has caused this, and now must accept the fact that they're the ones responsible for creating this monster.

Yes, but the second you say that on the forum people get angry. Yes, your number slaving caused quite a lot of this. lol Are people any happier here? Doesn't seem like it. Time to go back to more unbalanced but fun job design.

[Gaido]

I still believe my job will be implemented:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitpostXIV...pers_hate_him/

[ThaCa]

Remove Healer Role from the game and give everyone barely enough self sustain to survive if played correctly.

[RyuDragnier]

Yes, but the second you say that on the forum people get angry. Yes, your number slaving caused quite a lot of this. lol Are people any happier here? Doesn't seem like it. Time to go back to more unbalanced but fun job design.

Unlikely since the devs outright admitted they were not going to ever go back to HW job design. All we can really do is blame the meta slaves for this one, and hope they at least return to the SB buff timer differences.

[Burmecia]

SB Cover wasn't that broken. Bring it back.

[Aword3213]

Maybe unhinged.

Difficulty aside, the current Summoner is far better than the predecessor DoT simulator, with the current arguably being much closer to what the identity of a 'summoner' just might be.

I like current summoner way more than previous version of it. I don't care what other people say.