So why are the crafter relics.. bad.

[SaltyDaddy]

No, they'll get higher Control/Crafting/CP stats all around. Indagator is the last crafted set we'll get for Endwalker, just like the Aesthete stuff was the last set we got in Shadowbringers. I didn't finish my Skysteel tools, but just my Skysung Needle has better stats than the Aesthete's Needle, and it's not even the finished version.

Aesthete's Needle HQ (iLv 490)
Craftsmanship: +806
Control: +441
5 Materia Slots

Skysung Needle (iLv 500)
Craftsmanship: +830
Control: +455
CP: +6

Skybuilders' Needle (iLv 510) Complete Relic
Craftsmanship: +854
Control: +468
CP: +6

So not only will we get better stats for sure, we'll also get the bonus on quality steps, which the Skysteel Tools didn't have, if I remember correctly.

Thats funny, because I still have my pentamelded 490 gear. I have 485 control +6 CP on my tools, which was much better than finished relic. I never cared about relic, because it would be a downgrade, as you dont care about craftmanship, once you hit a breakpoint you needed for crafting and didnt wanted to remeld my whole gear. So no, "better starts for sure" is bs and just pure lie.

Seriously. Most of the coments here never crafted it seems. Crafter relics are useless even in the last step. And I dont care about the bonus for expert crafts, as I have no problem crafting those even with current crafted gear. Just money and time sink to get a shiny tool you cant even show off.

Stop justifying bad system just because its in your favourite game. I get battle relics not being bis, as they are simple to get and are usually fun (At least back in ShB). But crafter relic is dull and not even worth as "side class upgrade" stuff.

Relics should be grindy and on par, or at least close to pentamelded gear and added proc is cool, but useless.

Oooh, also also. WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THE RELIC GETTING BETTER LATER? If I pentameld my gear now, I dont need to give a slightless fuck about some relic step getting better in 8 months or so. So no, "it will get better" is a bad argument, when crafted is better now.