"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Nestama]

You know whats hilarious. through this whole thing i have said multiple times the ypyt mentality is toxic. no one bats an eye but i bring up the other side of "if 3/4 people agree that its a fast run then the 4th can suck it up, leave or be reported" is toxic as well. You all lose it and in every post try to defend your position. Its like you are taking a video game way too seriously. Everyone pays their sub. everyone plays their own way lol. I learned that after a long time of playing you have to be ready to adjust to whatever party makeup you end up in. People aren't cookie cutter on this game and thats the one point you all seemingly falter on reading. I don't care that the tank kit is laughably easy now. If that tank wishes to pull, who actually cares. mobs don't give anything and the exp/bonus/tomes you get in the run and after finishing doesn't change at all. maybe get off the forums and go touch actual grass. goto a movie. do something else lol.

Explain how 3 people voting for w2w is more toxic than 1 person dictating the party to do what they want.

[Ravenblade1979]

Explain how 3 people voting for w2w is more toxic than 1 person dictating the party to do what they want.

lol this is just proof people can't read. Read my first 2 sentences in that clearly. show me where i said that it is "more toxic". i believe i worded it as "is toxic as well". so tell me how your brain connected that to me saying "is more toxic"

[Xirean]

You know whats hilarious. through this whole thing i have said multiple times the ypyt mentality is toxic. no one bats an eye but i bring up the other side of "if 3/4 people agree that its a fast run then the 4th can suck it up, leave or be reported" is toxic as well. You all lose it and in every post try to defend your position. Its like you are taking a video game way too seriously. Everyone pays their sub. everyone plays their own way lol. I learned that after a long time of playing you have to be ready to adjust to whatever party makeup you end up in. People aren't cookie cutter on this game and thats the one point you all seemingly falter on reading. I don't care that the tank kit is laughably easy now. If that tank wishes to pull, who actually cares. mobs don't give anything and the exp/bonus/tomes you get in the run and after finishing doesn't change at all. maybe get off the forums and go touch actual grass. goto a movie. do something else lol.

Hey Raven I have another direction question for you. Is kicking someone from a group toxic?

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

Explain how 3 people voting for w2w is more toxic than 1 person dictating the party to do what they want.

Isn't telling someone what you want and dictate to conform bullying and harassing?

[Ravenblade1979]

Hey Raven I have another direction question for you. Is kicking someone from a group toxic?

"・Unjustified usage of Vote Dismiss
Refers to the act of dismissing a player in a way that is unjustified under the intended use of Vote Dismiss.
Key Points
If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

Please note that Square Enix may conduct investigations and issue a penalty in its discretion even if a report has not been filed if the act was confirmed publicly through online video, streaming services, or other means."


there are exceptions like they lost net and aren't back in a specified time or are purposely afk through the run for free exp. otherwise you have to have a darn good reason or that tos can be used against you if reported by the booted player. Now, you can argue the point that if they aren't cooperating then its justified right. which i assure you most of you will do. again might i point out i never disagreed that the ypyt mentality isnt toxic. That is a valid reason IF proveable. However, if they say nothing in chat to this effect or if they are very nice about asking to pull or whatever then you got no right to boot them. if you do then you can be held accountable for wrongful boot. it all comes down to how each member conducts themself in chat. so i can answer: yes and no. its situational.

what has occured to me is a mirroring example of this stuff all around but has to more do with people booting new players out of the old msq roulettes just for fast runs and they changed that finally.

[MaxCarnage]

You know whats hilarious. through this whole thing i have said multiple times the ypyt mentality is toxic. no one bats an eye but i bring up the other side of "if 3/4 people agree that its a fast run then the 4th can suck it up, leave or be reported" is toxic as well. You all lose it and in every post try to defend your position. Its like you are taking a video game way too seriously. Everyone pays their sub. everyone plays their own way lol. I learned that after a long time of playing you have to be ready to adjust to whatever party makeup you end up in. People aren't cookie cutter on this game and thats the one point you all seemingly falter on reading. I don't care that the tank kit is laughably easy now. If that tank wishes to pull, who actually cares. mobs don't give anything and the exp/bonus/tomes you get in the run and after finishing doesn't change at all. maybe get off the forums and go touch actual grass. goto a movie. do something else lol.

"Everyone in this thread is toxic!!! You all are not intelligent!! Go touch grass!!!"

You love to see it. Someone telling others to touch grass while losing their own ish over people disagreeing with them.

Funny though, that you say you speak against both sides, yet you're only being condescending and nasty to one side.

You also say that people just have to adjust and accept the party make up they get, yet the tank can throw a tantrum and we just have to be okay with it. Because while you say "ypyt is toxic" you're still saying we have to follow the tank regardless of the BS they pull.

Are you going to keep contracting yourself every time you respond to someone?

"・Unjustified usage of Vote Dismiss
Refers to the act of dismissing a player in a way that is unjustified under the intended use of Vote Dismiss.
Key Points
If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

Please note that Square Enix may conduct investigations and issue a penalty in its discretion even if a report has not been filed if the act was confirmed publicly through online video, streaming services, or other means."


there are exceptions like they lost net and aren't back in a specified time or are purposely afk through the run for free exp. otherwise you have to have a darn good reason or that tos can be used against you if reported by the booted player. Now, you can argue the point that if they aren't cooperating then its justified right. which i assure you most of you will do. again might i point out i never disagreed that the ypyt mentality isnt toxic. That is a valid reason IF proveable.

Difference in play style is a 100% justified reason to kick someone. Good try, though.

Show me where in the ToS it says exactly what the valid reasons to kick are. Or are you just making more things up?

[Ravenblade1979]

"Everyone in this thread is toxic!!! You all are not intelligent!! Go touch grass!!!"

You love to see it.



Difference in play style is a 100% justified reason to kick someone. Good try, though.

congrats. you can be reported for wrongful boot. this thinking is right up there with defending using act to go after another person for low dps

[Miracle_Diva]

congrats. you can be reported for wrongful boot. this thinking is right up there with defending using act to go after another person for low dps

Even blackholes can't bend space as much as you bending someone else's words.

[MaxCarnage]

congrats. you can be reported for wrongful boot. this thinking is right up there with defending using act to go after another person for low dps

LOL

"■Prohibited Behavior in Final Fantasy XIV
In Final Fantasy XIV, obstructive behavior that has an adverse impact on other users' gameplay, or operation of service, is prohibited. Such behavior violates the Final Fantasy XIV User Agreement and Square Enix Account Terms of Use. If a violation is confirmed as a result of our investigations, Square Enix may, in its sole discretion, issue a penalty to the relevant Final Fantasy XIV service account. Please refer to "Account Penalty Policy" for details of the penalties."

note where it says "has an adverse impact on other users gameplay".

Under Obstruction of gameplay

"・Aiding the enemy / Uncooperative behavior / Lethargic behavior
Refers to an act of performing actions that give an advantage to an enemy (monsters, or the opposing team/players in PvP content) by not performing the necessary gameplay required of the situation. This may be combined with combat sabotage as well.
Key Points
Each player has a different level of skill, and in some cases, there may be a situation where the duty/content will fail. From the perspective of a skilled player in such a situation, a less skilled player may appear to be "adversarial/uncooperative/apathetic," but even if this is the case, it is not a violation as long as the player is playing appropriately."

Interesting.

Uncooperative behavior.

Tank isn't cooperating with the group. Seems like a justified kick to me. Bye.

[Nestama]

lol this is just proof people can't read. Read my first 2 sentences in that clearly. show me where i said that it is "more toxic". i believe i worded it as "is toxic as well". so tell me how your brain connected that to me saying "is more toxic"

Okay, my bad (it was 4 in the morning at the time). Let me rephrase it then: how is it just as toxic?

Let me make this as hard as possible for you: the theoretical party is communicating with each other on how the pace should be at the very beginning of the dungeon. Three have voted that they would prefer to w2w, while only one has said they'd prefer to do single pulls. As majority rules (something we've learned in school when voting on which book to read for class, etc), it is on the one player to either accept that this is what the party OVERALL wants (basically, adapt to the scenario presented), or leave. Anything else beyond that (demanding to be kicked, going afk, disconnecting) is only going to be viewed as throwing a childish temper tantrum because the one player is not getting their way.

I even gave you a theoretical scenario where I'm the only one who wants w2w and three others want single pulls. I even said I would leave and take the penalty so the party can get someone else (excusing myself from a disagreement). Somehow you completely overlooked that part and then claimed I was in breach of tos.

Isn't telling someone what you want and dictate to conform bullying and harassing?

No, because I said 3 of 4 players voted on w2w. If we're to disregard 3 players because 1 wants to go slow, then is that not "telling a group what you want and dictate to conform bullying and harassing?"