"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Deceptus]

Dead mobs dont deal damage. Live mobs deal full damage. I dont want party members to die so killing mobs faster is good actually.

This is the right answer. There are multiple forms of "mitigation".

• Actual buttons that tanks can use to reduce damage taken (Rampart, hallowed, TBN etc etc),
• Sprinting between packs so they can't hit you
• Healer mitigation (Sacred soil, Temperance, Divine Benison etc etc)

Another one of those is killing mobs. Because as Saraide said: Dead mobs do zero damage to the tank. If you can shorten a trash pull by 20-30s by significant healer DPS, then that is one less CD a tank has to use, which is one more CD a tank has for the next pack.

[Ravenblade1979]

You can't just make up the Terms of Service as you go along.

"■Prohibited Behavior in Final Fantasy XIV
In Final Fantasy XIV, obstructive behavior that has an adverse impact on other users' gameplay, or operation of service, is prohibited. Such behavior violates the Final Fantasy XIV User Agreement and Square Enix Account Terms of Use. If a violation is confirmed as a result of our investigations, Square Enix may, in its sole discretion, issue a penalty to the relevant Final Fantasy XIV service account. Please refer to "Account Penalty Policy" for details of the penalties."

note where it says "has an adverse impact on other users gameplay".

Under Obstruction of gameplay

"・Aiding the enemy / Uncooperative behavior / Lethargic behavior
Refers to an act of performing actions that give an advantage to an enemy (monsters, or the opposing team/players in PvP content) by not performing the necessary gameplay required of the situation. This may be combined with combat sabotage as well.
Key Points
Each player has a different level of skill, and in some cases, there may be a situation where the duty/content will fail. From the perspective of a skilled player in such a situation, a less skilled player may appear to be "adversarial/uncooperative/apathetic," but even if this is the case, it is not a violation as long as the player is playing appropriately."

now the final part of that is worth noteing because if you again see the toxic behavior from tank then there is a breach. however thats not why im pointing these out. im pointing these out because people say "3 people can dictate the speed...if tank don't like it they can suck it up, leave or be reported for not cooperating". that is where i got the issue. you are being equally as toxic and are still breaching tos.

[Ravenblade1979]

Raven I'd like to ask you directly. If you are a tank in an instance and the entire party wants to go at a pace that you don't want to go at, for whatever reason, what do you personally do? The entire party is in agreement of a different pace then what you personally want. As the tank, what is your response?

as a person who has played this game since 2.3 and seen alot. I would do what I normally do. laugh it off and grab the pack. However, I'm not new by the least to any of the jobs. I am well aware of their kits and how to use them and have seen them frankly through lots of changes. the reason i went this way is the "if 3/4 people vote to go fast, don't matter what the 4th want. either suck it up, leave or be reported". that is a very toxic attitude to have as it ruins gameplay for another who might have wanted to say go healer or wanted to go tank. yeah im including healers because theres even some who struggle with that.

End of this my point stands. the ypyt mentality is toxic but people being equally as toxic with the other side of this. When i go into dailies i have seen and expect any party makeup. i have had fast runs, ive had slow runs but the one thing ive never run into is most of you lol. Probably because off the forums. People actually have a brain and learned to adjust through their time playing.

[Ravenblade1979]

I have a question for you guys. Do you love this game? Do you feel like you're playing fantasy when you enter DF, or do you feel like you're going to work?

Tanks are not leaders. But in terms of squad building, they are definitely ahead. And it would be better if they pulled. When playing FF1 or later, didn't you put the healers in the back row and the tougher guys in the front?

I don't understand. I don't understand why people in this game play this game as a job. Why don't you play this game like fantasy? Why if I play heal or dps I stay behind the tank? Because it's cool. Because it's fantasy. MMORPG. Roleplay. The role of the tank is to protect the squad. The role of DPS and healers is to be behind the wall.

I feel like I'm the only one who plays this game as a game and not as a job.

Why, if I play a healer, then I feel like Aeris from ff7. I care about the health of the squad and this is important. Why do all healers have a dps mentality?


Forgive me if I sound harsh. And yes. Amendment. I quit playing a week ago. I don't feel like fantasy players. 90% of the people I meet don't feel like passionate people. The accumulation of animals, reputation, mounts and other collectibles is not RP. It's just a collection. I agree, this is also important. But I just feel empty in my soul while playing this game. All classes are dps. No one wants to go to the easy version of the boss just like that. For music and atmosphere. It must be a mount or collectible item.

Damn, I went whining again. I will be glad if you convince me and I will download this wonderful game again. But reading the forum and other channels, I see only the desire for dry numbers. As a paladin, I want to use healing. Feel important. This is bad? Want to play the game like an RPG, not like an M+ simulator from Warcraft. Where time really matters.

No, I'm not a troll. I am honest in my feelings for you. I want to play fantasy world with players. But reading this thread, it seems that this style of play is not welcome in MMOs. I want to be wrong.

https://imgur.com/a/PouKT60

Fantasy must be fantasy.

this right here is gold. im of the same thing. i follow my tank lol. i might main a ranged dps but my tank the one taking the hits. im just the lowly damage dealer lol

[Kyasunshine]

This is the right answer. There are multiple forms of "mitigation".

• Actual buttons that tanks can use to reduce damage taken (Rampart, hallowed, TBN etc etc),
• Sprinting between packs so they can't hit you
• Healer mitigation (Sacred soil, Temperance, Divine Benison etc etc)

Another one of those is killing mobs. Because as Saraide said: Dead mobs do zero damage to the tank. If you can shorten a trash pull by 20-30s by significant healer DPS, then that is one less CD a tank has to use, which is one more CD a tank has for the next pack.

Heh. I have heard this argument many times. But it seems like you didn't get the point. Maybe.

It is clear that in this game the healer must damage. Alas, the authors do not know what the division of duties is. And so they mixed all the emphasis on dealing damage. Just one more reason why I don't enjoy this game.

Regarding this topic, we are still talking about 1-2 buttons. And that all depends on the situation. This is about the fact that it makes no sense for a DPS or heal role to run ahead of the tank and aggro them on yourself. I was very lucky that 99% of the people I met those who did not run ahead of me and I could easily press the AoE and reach the second pack. This is respect for the role. It makes no sense to ruin the RPG component of the RP for the sake of saving 5-10 seconds.

And personally from me. Read your message. We are talking about regular content. (I guess). Are you really ready to treat the game like this? Like an Omega robot, without feelings, reading all the possibilities and just going forward without the spirit of adventure? All that you wrote is obvious as 2x2. But it feels extremely soulless in relation to the game.

For example, I'm not really a fan of savages. And the only available content for me is DF. And even this content, because of this mindset, I have to cut myself off, because a lot of people take it TOO seriously.

Because of this attitude, paladins cannot use healing. Because mobs will live longer by 1 gcd. Wow. Then why did the authors give me this button if I do not have the right to use it.


As a result, I repeat. This is still the problem of a company that decided not to complicate the gameplay. And I approached the design of classes without due enthusiasm. Although this paragraph is more to another topic, which you can talk about forever.

Let me remind you that this is my opinion. Of course it sounds with a bit of condemnation or instructions as to what is right. But what is what is.)

[Kolaina]

"■Prohibited Behavior in Final Fantasy XIV
In Final Fantasy XIV, obstructive behavior that has an adverse impact on other users' gameplay

Under Obstruction of gameplay

Lethargic behavior

Like going slow, dragging ass, single pulling.

Thanks for pointing that out

[Kyasunshine]

Like going slow, dragging ass, single pulling.

Thanks for pointing that out

Read your message. And rate it 0 - 10. On a "friendly community" scale.

[Miracle_Diva]

Read your message. And rate it 0 - 10. On a "friendly community" scale.

If you want to see "friendly community", just don't come to forums. "Happy" people do not come here.

[Kolaina]

Read your message. And rate it 0 - 10. On a "friendly community" scale.

Aren’t you the person questioning healers dpsing? Next

[Kyasunshine]

If you want to see "friendly community", just don't come to forums. "Happy" people do not come here.

But then what's the point? Why smile in the game. If your true face depicts THIS?

I don't understand why people come into the game with such a reputation. And instead of striving to support her, they hate it with all their hearts.