why the crystal tower raids are still part of the roulette?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I wish the roulette ignores your queued iLv like trial does. Was amusing to watch that one NIN who zoned in literally naked in Zodiark normal back in 6.0. (An anecdote, take it as a grain of salt)

[…]If we want a good average time, the average to run something like Ridorana or Orbonne or Dun Scaith is a good meter to use. CT skews it too low. Nier skews it too high.

Agreed wholeheartedly. This is one of the reason why I dislike getting Paradigm in particular despite being non-CT & a CT raid hater myself. Everything else are in the ‘sweet spot’ of ‘just long enough’ to be enjoyable.

The hero we need, but not the hero we deserve. Thank you for your sacrifice.

I do this too, depending on my mood and whether or not there are any new players in the instance. If I'm not needed and could actually do a fun instance later, I'll take the penalty.

Tips: leave AR roulette for the last of your daily roulette routines, so if CT raid pops you can just eat the penalty & do something else or log off for the day. The penalty will be meaningless this way.

[Pratini]

what supper under preforming party's you need to get to stay 40 min in Nier raids? and sorry but its sound like you (and lots of people to be honest) saying you want to get the most easy and fast content as you can in the roulettes to finish it faster. to do what then? afk? play other games? as if its to do raids a 5-10 min longer roulette (all of them together) will not hurt you.
don't take its as a personal attack as its not. i just hear that same old thing over and over.

I still fail to understand why saying I don't want to waste time in Nier raids means I automatically AFK in Limsa doing nothing. Do you know what I do ingame? What type of content I like to complete? What type of player I am? The answer is NO, so why are you accusing me of "hating the game" for something so trivial? Sounds like daily roulettes are the peak of YOUR FF14 experience, which is kind of sad if you ask me.

Again, Alliance Raids are NOT peak gameplay, are NOT engaging, and for the majority of people they are NOT fun. We do because it gives a shit ton of experience for close to none effort.

[Toutatis]

No one is obligated to do roulette. Just queue for what you want and force roulette to find players. Roulette is for filling groups that need to be filled and there is demand for CT.

This past week I got the 3 rd Nier raid (which I abandoned immediately as the whiteness hurts my eyes and gives me a headache), Rabanastre, Ridorana, Aglaia, Void Ark (which is duller than CT raids) and Labyrinth of the Ancients (tanks didn’t know what they were doing and we wiped 5 times lol). I also queued for Euphrosyne for the token.

The thing is without CT everyone would be waiting a lot longer for the queue to pop as all other raids are optional. Void Ark would likely become the new CT.

There’s various reasons to get CT beside a first time and relic. Here are some examples:

- It's tied to story progress: regardless of level, not having finished HW does not allow you to unlock the next series. It’s almost impossible not to over level these days and even tome gear is locked behind MSQ progress. I once had someone DMing me after CT accusing me of skewing roulette on a lvl 65 char in Ironworks gear…duh! I was in post ARR quests where everything I fight is <= lvl 50. There was no point in getting better gear from the MB and it wouldn’t make a difference.

- someone might have queued for one of the CT raids for whatever reason

- a few weeks ago I ran numerous CTs because I was leveling up jobs between level 50 and 60. It was the only AR I could do and the XP is decent. Available roulettes are faily limited at that level and moving CT with MSQ would make leveling alt jobs more tedious as it would remove a huge chunk of daily XP;

- unlocking the optional raids takes a while and quest lines to unlock them are not only long, some are not very exiting and require a lot of running back to areas you have already completed (like that lore unfriendly dwarf/Nier quest in the most remote part of Kholusia, away from aetherytes)

- New players may want to prioritize the MSQ (everything in this game is tied to MSQ progress) and they may not even know there are other raids (I’ve met a few people in that situation);

- If someone buys a story skip (I did so to play with friends and get a house on another DC) nothing other than MSQ, not even glamours or chocobo fighting/bag, is unlocked. You end up with zillions of purple markers all over the place. Why would those players prioritize ARs over functionality, leveling other jobs and finishing MSQ? I’ll get there some day but I surely won’t unlock Nier 3 (and although I do like the other 2, I don’t feel like doing that quest at all). I wish SE would give us an npc to talk to in order to quickly unlock past extremes, normals and ARs per series when we buy a story skip!

[Aravell]

NieR raids taking 20-30 minutes is ridiculously lowballing it. There's far too much unskippable RP in all 3 of those raids and the bosses are all huge damage sponges. Maybe you can get around 30 minutes on Copied Factory if your team is really good, but no way you'd ever clear Tower of Paradigm's Breach in 30 minutes.

I'd rather see them bump up the CT raids a bit and knock down the NieR raids a bit, Ivalice raids are the sweet spot in length. Not too short that everything else feels like a waste of time and also not too long that it feels like a drag.

[Sotaris]

I really don't mind it unless its the "World of Darkness" raid, I hate that one. Maybe cause I have such a fond for FF3 I just kick back and chill with the music, the raid itself is on autopilot.

[magitekLuna]

This is part of my frustration with Nier raids, half the time it feels the bosses just... drag, like yeah in a literal sense it makes them harder because longer fights give more room for mistakes, but it also makes them incredibly dull.

what so dull about them? you cant afk on them like in the tower bosse

[VeyaAkemi]

what so dull about them? you cant afk on them like in the tower bosse

It's specifically their length, you will loop through Egels entire rotation at least twice, then you look at his HP bar and he is at 60% or so, and then his phase transition happens and you wake up, and then you return to braindead mode, all while fighting an enemy so insanely large that he legitimately takes a quarter of the area and lets you basically play melee jobs without a discernable difference from ranged jobs except for the rare times he targets the very front of the area in specific, it all leads to him being about as interesting CoD but at least she has the courtesy of dying fast, and he is hardly the only boss of the raid series that have these issues.

I am not trying to say that I don't like any of the Nier fights, I think the Compound 2P and the False Idol fights are actually really cool even if they also drag longer than I'd like, but getting to them is a chore in itself, in fact Paradigm's Breach has two bosses with all the issues of Egels, Knave and the Zis, tho I guess Red Girl is a good interlude.

[einschwartz]

Moving CT to MSQ roullette is a logical choice at this point.

I have not touch the roullette in years.
I refuse to unless getting CT is like 20% chance or the mechanics becomes meaningful again.

[MsMisato]

how long are we as players going to except such trash?:

about 6 or 5 years now and counting XD

[magitekLuna]

about 6 or 5 years now and counting XD

sadly, but its a fact