Length MSQ from all the expansions - it is getting insane

[Boblawblah]

Actually, if you're the one making the claim, the impetus is on you to prove that Steam users are actually similar to console and SE launcher users. None of our anecdotal evidence is sufficient, as we've all mentioned. YOU need to show that the data is actually representative of the larger playerbase and usable for conclusions before it becomes valid.

That's simply not true. They don't have to prove anything for Steam to be a representative sample of FFXIV players. It either is or is isn't. Whether or not you choose to give it any weight is another question. You've already decided that nothing can change your opinion, and that's fine, there's nothing short of Yoshi-P walking up to you and saying "Hey, actually we notice the Steam population trends follow the global population trends". hell, even then I have a feeling you'd say "hmm, who put you up to this?"

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

there's nothing short of Yoshi-P walking up to you and saying "Hey, actually we notice the Steam population trends follow the global population trends".

I mean.....did he?

[DPZ2]

Do you think that the people who play on steam have significantly different taste and opinions when it comes to ff14 than those on consoles or on the standalone launcher?

Since Japanese players almost exclusively use Sony consoles to play the game ... Yes.

[Stormpeaks]

Since Japanese players almost exclusively use Sony consoles to play the game ... Yes.

So what you are saying is that the japanese dont do multiple activities like we do on EU and NA

okay buddy

[Striker44]

That's simply not true. They don't have to prove anything for Steam to be a representative sample of FFXIV players. It either is or is isn't. Whether or not you choose to give it any weight is another question. You've already decided that nothing can change your opinion, and that's fine, there's nothing short of Yoshi-P walking up to you and saying "Hey, actually we notice the Steam population trends follow the global population trends". hell, even then I have a feeling you'd say "hmm, who put you up to this?"

It is 100% true. As you actually then said, it either is or it isn't representative. If you are the one trying to use it as if it "is," then the ball falls into your court to demonstrate that it's actually valid. You don't get to just make a random claim and then say it's up to others to prove you wrong. That's not how adulting works. That the rest of your post: A.) Refuses to provide any support to your claim and B.) Just makes stuff up and puts words into my mouth that aren't the least bit true - it shows only that, at its core, you realize that you actually have absolutely no proof to suggest the data you want to use is at all reliable. Case closed until you can provide some evidence suggesting otherwise.

[SannaR]

So what you are saying is that the japanese dont do multiple activities like we do on EU and NA

okay buddy

No, what he's saying is they tend to enjoy their consoles more and tend to use their version of something thar NA n EU use. Like Niconico instead of twitch.

[Stormpeaks]

It is 100% true. As you actually then said, it either is or it isn't representative. If you are the one trying to use it as if it "is," then the ball falls into your court to demonstrate that it's actually valid. You don't get to just make a random claim and then say it's up to others to prove you wrong. That's not how adulting works. That the rest of your post: A.) Refuses to provide any support to your claim and B.) Just makes stuff up and puts words into my mouth that aren't the least bit true - it shows only that, at its core, you realize that you actually have absolutely no proof to suggest the data you want to use is at all reliable. Case closed until you can provide some evidence suggesting otherwise.

You are too much in denial and on copium, honestly it's whatever at this point, I have nothing to prove to you, all FFXIV players are the same, no matter if you play on a gameboy color, a nintendo, a playstation 5, a computer, an xbox, everyone behind the screen is a human and everyone does different activities in the game

No, what he's saying is they tend to enjoy their consoles more and tend to use their version of something thar NA n EU use. Like Niconico instead of twitch.

That doesnt change anything about what activities they do, everyone in FFXIV does different activities, be it raiding,housing,fishing, crafting, hanging out, venues, we are all human behind the screen.

[Ravenblade1979]

You are too much in denial and on copium, honestly it's whatever at this point, I have nothing to prove to you, all FFXIV players are the same, no matter if you play on a gameboy color, a nintendo, a playstation 5, a computer, an xbox, everyone behind the screen is a human and everyone does different activities in the game



That doesnt change anything about what activities they do, everyone in FFXIV does different activities, be it raiding,housing,fishing, crafting, hanging out, venues, we are all human behind the screen.

ok first off. you using multiple accounts to talk with because i don't remember Strikers response being directed towards you. Secondly, yes, we all do various activities but the limitations the game places on them means we all end up doing the same anyways. im not sure what your argument really is here when striker was telling someone they had to back up what they talked about and sanna was jsut commenting that japanese players mainly enjoy playing on console. i mean i get your point but what does your post have to do with anything

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

So what you are saying is that the japanese dont do multiple activities like we do on EU and NA

This isn't my Conversation, but Im still confused.
What does this have to do with the Japanese Playerbase playing FFXIV on Playstation?

[TaleraRistain]

I mean.....did he?

I was kind of wondering that myself. I was curious where we got the idea that Steam was representative of the playerbase as a whole and could therefore be used in statistical analysis to judge trends over all possible platforms. DPZ2 makes a good point that JP plays predominantly on consoles. But I recall numbers given in the past that the JP community tends to have higher Savage numbers. So this could be one place where Steam isn't representative of the playerbase as a whole, because it could be reporting lower numbers than would be reported if the console numbers for Savage were also included. I've just been struggling a bit in this latest conversation what the basis is for using Steam numbers as a predictor of anything except trends among Steam users, because we don't have the numbers for other platforms so it seems to be a big blind spot.