Just let everyone plop a house on their Island Sanctuary

[Solowing]

An apartment is not a substitute for an house. Personally, I already have an apartment and an FC room, and a house. I’m just trying to relocate (from a medium to a small) and having lost every lotto so far, I can only imagine how it feels for those that are going through this process and still have nothing to show for it. My ultimate desire is for everyone to be able to have access to housing. Right now the current system alone doesn’t do that.

To be honest i dont understand how.

Because if i removed the second floor, and simply decored the upstairs. Functionally its the exact same thing as a apartment with extra slots... But that wouldnt be considered housing because its only 1 room?

Which is where my confusion comes from when players say "its not housing" because it is functionally the exact same thing interior-wise. Ok you cant crossbreed or have outside slots. But anything else outside that?

Because to me it seems like people want a plot, but dont have the stones to state that without trying to make roundabout reasons why Apts arnt considered housing despite functionally being exactly the same functionally on the interior.

Also be aware, they have dedicated housers by the nuts, you effectively cannot quit if you dont want to lose your home. Im aware of it, that kinda accures them continued revenue (ive been here since 2014 and housing is a big reason i dont take breaks). Sure they can grant housing to everyone. But well i cant demolish your house to keep you paying...I mean they can.... however, questions of why a player hostile feature exist when its their own instance.

But keeping the houses limited and allowing the to be demolished allows S.E to perpetually monetize a subsection of player who will keep their subs up through thick and thin. Expansion release and 6 month content dryspell to keep their houses. And i am one of those people. Sure, you can give everyone housing. But the profit motive is there to never allow supply to meet that demand.

If players are willing to spend $500 USD for a virtual ingame house in your video game. How much do you think theyll pay to keep their house? All you have to do is login once a month....And you need an active subscription to do that...

[Khryseis_Astra]

I never said it wasn’t a form of housing, I said an apartment in not a substitute for a house. They’re 2 separate types of housing. You can have both, and you should be able to have both.

[Solowing]

I never said it wasn’t a form of housing, I said an apartment in not a substitute for a house. They’re 2 separate types of housing. You can have both, and you should be able to have both.

I mean i believe your heart is in the right place, but i see no reason why they would change the system they already have when that system work perfectly fine for them...

I mean they have a pretty much assured income from me as long as that house stays interesting to me. And i see no reason why they would give that up.

If they are going to quit over not getting a house then your chance of getting a house is 0%. And their more then plenty of people willing to take their place.

[syndicategamer13]

If they are going to quit over not getting a house then your chance of getting a house is 0%. And their more then plenty of people willing to take their place.

I think you're missing the overall point. Apartments are not the same as a house, despite having the same functions. Apartments and FC private chambers were temporary spaces the devs created so players have an opportunity to enjoy the housing design aspect of the game when they, unfortunately, cannot get a house of their own. They're aware that housing is a HUGE appeal in the game, especially on servers like my own for example who use their houses for roleplaying purposes (hence why they made shop exterior skins for players who roleplay their houses as shops).

While I understand your side as well, the point of this topic wasn't to debate on whether apartments are useful or not. Even you made the comment of "Apts are plentiful until you can get a house." So even you know that apartments are only temporary solutions until a player can get a house. I have an apartment because it was easy at the time to buy one, until I was fortunate enough to have friends who managed to buy a plot back in the wee old days of the housing race wars and were kind enough to relinquish it to me. I've held onto the plot for years but I'd love to eventually get a medium house in the Ishgard wards.

Your argument statement I quoted, while it is true, is still not relevant to the point of this entire thread's topic. It's true that SE will make money off people who log in and sub to avoid housing demolition, no denying that there, but those rage quitters were also dedicated players who gave their money too to this game because they wanted to enjoy all the content it offers. Yes, there are others who can take their place, but then they too will eventually be like those former players who rage quit when they also face the hardship of trying to own a house. It will be a constant cycle of disappointment because of the housing system currently in place, which is why players have been begging for improvements such as them adding more wards that fit the high demand or put in instanced housing similar to that of which we have on Island Sanctuary - the point of this entire thread topic.

[VerdeLuck]

Why is it that every single avocacy for instanced housing on these forums is just people who have multiple houses asking for +1 to their house count?
Why should people who hoard houses for RMT gil farming or owning large chunks of wards, and created this problem be rewarded with yet another house when a fix is attempted to be rolled out for that exact problem?
The goal would be to give people who have no house a way to use those features, not to give +1 house to someone who owns an entire ward.

[Khryseis_Astra]

Not sure who you’re referring to, but I advocate for instanced. I’m not trying to own multiples. Personally I’m trying to relocate. And I would like all those who don’t have a house at all to be able to have one.

[PredatoryCatgirl]

Not sure who you’re referring to

They're referring to the strawman they made up in their own head. Because we all know RMT loves things that are tied to your account, take six months to produce any gil, and can't be easily automated with a bot.

[Solowing]

I think you're missing the overall point. Apartments are not the same as a house, despite having the same functions. Apartments and FC private chambers were temporary spaces the devs created so players have an opportunity to enjoy the housing design aspect of the game when they, unfortunately, cannot get a house of their own. They're aware that housing is a HUGE appeal in the game, especially on servers like my own for example who use their houses for roleplaying purposes (hence why they made shop exterior skins for players who roleplay their houses as shops).

While I understand your side as well, the point of this topic wasn't to debate on whether apartments are useful or not. Even you made the comment of "Apts are plentiful until you can get a house." So even you know that apartments are only temporary solutions until a player can get a house. I have an apartment because it was easy at the time to buy one, until I was fortunate enough to have friends who managed to buy a plot back in the wee old days of the housing race wars and were kind enough to relinquish it to me. I've held onto the plot for years but I'd love to eventually get a medium house in the Ishgard wards.

Your argument statement I quoted, while it is true, is still not relevant to the point of this entire thread's topic. It's true that SE will make money off people who log in and sub to avoid housing demolition, no denying that there, but those rage quitters were also dedicated players who gave their money too to this game because they wanted to enjoy all the content it offers. Yes, there are others who can take their place, but then they too will eventually be like those former players who rage quit when they also face the hardship of trying to own a house. It will be a constant cycle of disappointment because of the housing system currently in place, which is why players have been begging for improvements such as them adding more wards that fit the high demand or put in instanced housing similar to that of which we have on Island Sanctuary - the point of this entire thread topic.

One the things i advocate for it putting a terrace instance on the roof of the apartment where players can buy their own mini-plot of planting soil. You have a shared community planting feild for the cross-breeding you want, shy out having outside items to place. Its functionally a duplex.

Again, i can agree with you. I do like your idea.

But your idea makes it easier to un-sub for me and take breaks.

And im a guild owner.

If i dont login for 41 days, I lose my private.

And if i dont login for 14 days, i lose my FC.

I am enjoying my stay, dont get me wrong. But i know i cant not have sub inactive for an extended period... Sub 2 weeks due to auto-leader changes. That's a guaranteed subscription for as long as i get creative fulfillment from it. What profit incentive would they have to stop the mysticism train/ I mean getting a house is a dream right? And now once youve achieved it. Youre going to invest in it. But remember, let your sub lapse for 2 months and there will be thousands of players chomping at the bit and cheering as your plot gets demolished to have the chance to buy it up. And they too know, either that their sub stays active or the same will happen to them. (me)

You can argue for an instance house, but would people be open to a demolition timer on an instanced plot? Because you can expect that as offset to giving an alternative to a house that strips them of the ability to perpetually monetize someone through a system the players willingly engage in themselves.

8 years straight of subscription time. Housing is the primary reason why. If there is somebody willing to quit over not getting a house, their is somebody like me out there who will happily take their place. And keep a subscription indefinitely (because my house will get demolished if i dont), from where the cash shop slowly wears you down until you buy that $18 dollar sets that you really didn't care about but the gloves were exactly what you wanted.

This is sorta a rent system, Except you miss S.E's FFXIV's "Rent" date, you are simply put out. No questions asked to make room for the next tenant. But you must wait for a vacancy. But they have Apts as a alternative

Alot of housers will pop up as MAU's But ALL housers will show up on the QAU, and if not, they arnt a homeowner anymore if the demolition suspension isnt in place.

[Jojoya]

Why is it that every single avocacy for instanced housing on these forums is just people who have multiple houses asking for +1 to their house count?
Why should people who hoard houses for RMT gil farming or owning large chunks of wards, and created this problem be rewarded with yet another house when a fix is attempted to be rolled out for that exact problem?
The goal would be to give people who have no house a way to use those features, not to give +1 house to someone who owns an entire ward.

Why is it people rush in to jump to conclusions about others and their motivations?

Though there is a very logical answer to your question if you stop to think about it. What players are going to be the most active in this subforum? The players who care more about the housing system. Some of those players will have certainly acquired multiple houses over time.

I was able to have multiple housing locations per character and server in RIFT without having to jump through hoops to get them. It had nothing to do with RMT or platinum farming because housing there was not useful for those things. I loved to decorate and take advantage of the different housing locations. I changed a desert prison into a rainy village, a Lighthouse island into a replica of a city in another game, a merchant's plaza into a lush park with a water slide. And I had them all (plus more) at the same time, open to other players to visit whenever they wanted regardless of whether I was online.

Maybe I'd like to have the same opportunity here?

[tsuchii]

Seems like they're heading that way.
90 slots of yard items!!! I can't wait for 6.4!!!