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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Katish View Post
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    1. In FF11? They're classified as "Enhancement". It's not moot when we're talking about White MAGES not White MAGICS. "...made whoever the WHM applied it two..." was your wording, btw, not "whoever the White Magic User applied it to".

    2. Uh...what case are you talking about? FF11 is the only other "live" version with a White Mage, and WHM in FF11 doesn't do damage most of the time and only heals/buffs in parties, generally. FFX's Yuna is a Summoner, not a White Mage. Like her class and stuff is Summoner. I also gave you the full list of pure White Mages through the series (well, more or less) and they don't do that. When you're combining with other Jobs, you're not talking about a White Mage anymore. A FFT White Mage with a Black Mage SubJob has their White Mage part and their Black Mage part. You don't argue that Fire is a White Mage spell, because if you had that White Mage subjob Chemist, they wouldn't have it.

    3. Boring TO YOU, not to everyone. Many people find it fun and engaging.

    4. I heal all the time in 4 mans, and even more in 8 mans.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I honestly wonder why the people who complain about "clunky kit" on SCH feel the need to cry for a rework to "bring SCH more in line with SGE" when SGE is literally right there.
    I honestly don't understand this, either. I never understand any of the "make X Job more like Y Job arguments". I get the arguments for giving Jobs things that are seen as NECESSARY (WHM being the only Healer Job right now without a party mit is noticeable in some content and hampers its viability compared to the other three somewhat since they all have an answer to that problem that WHM does not), but in general, as long as the bases are covered, I don't think it makes sense to argue for one Job to play more like some other Job. If people like said other Job, they should just play it instead. Maybe it doesn't QUITE match the aesthetic they want, but that's kinda just...the way life is sometimes.

    SGE has all kinds of interactivity with the kit, though. I never will understand this argument. SCH locking out doesn't mean you have to "plan ahead", it just means it's clunky. You can generally use whichever CD and still do fine. "Oh no, I used Dissipation and now there's big damage where I should use Seraph and Consolation instead! Whatever will I do! Oh, wait...Recitation + Adlo + Deployment Tactics, lol gg" (or that shiny Indom or Sacred Soil you just got from those AF stacks). Not much planning ahead there, just dealing with the clunk. And if you're doing super high end optimization, you have a healing plan anyway, for all the Healers, so that's not really relevant.

    Your counter on ED use of AF is also flawed. You're VERY rarely going to need to use a GCD heal. Your oGCD tools (non-AF) are more than powerful enough for most issues so that you aren't having to use a GCD. Your GCD uses are generally going to be a Deployed Critlo for something specific, in which case Indom isn't going to save you from that. I agree that Energy Drain is a nearly pointless amount of damage, but read what people say in the surveys; they genuinely feel bad about using AF for other things because they know it's suboptimal except in very specific situations. Oh, and in 2 out of 3 cases (cohealer is WHM or SGE), they're passively throwing around so much AOE healing between Physis/Karachole (which also doesn't stack with Soil) or Afflatus Rapture/Assize that your missing Indom is RARELY going to be necessary, and in the case of SGE, your missing Soil wouldn't even count.

    Again, I don't think it should be changed - it's how SCH and SGE are unique from each other, and from the other Healers, and diversity of Jobs is a good thing, imo - but to say SCH is the better DESIGNED is just...no. I can't agree to that at all. SGE is far better designed, but it's not for everyone. And that's okay. And SCH isn't for everyone. And that's okay. And WHM and AST aren't for everyone, and that's okay, too.

    Keep the Jobs diverse, give people more options. Best way to design, imo.
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    Last edited by Renathras; 04-02-2023 at 11:44 AM. Reason: EDIT for length

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