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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrysOCE View Post
    That's it. Stop expecting mentors to be a walking encyclopedia of all content. Now, if you want to complain about mentors who have a bad attitude, that's a different complaint.
    If you queue for the mentor roulette, you should make sure you know all the fights you're likely to get shoved into. Yes, that includes extremes. This is not an unreasonable expectation.
    Frankly, I don't think people should even be allowed to become a PvE mentor if they haven't cleared all content in the game, excepting perhaps Ultimates since that would be an unreasonable expectation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    If you queue for the mentor roulette, you should make sure you know all the fights you're likely to get shoved into. Yes, that includes extremes. This is not an unreasonable expectation.
    Frankly, I don't think people should even be allowed to become a PvE mentor if they haven't cleared all content in the game, excepting perhaps Ultimates since that would be an unreasonable expectation.
    That's bordering on 200+ instances that increases every Patch/expansion. It's absolutely unreasonable to memorize all of that and ludicrous to expect that from anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    If you queue for the mentor roulette, you should make sure you know all the fights you're likely to get shoved into. Yes, that includes extremes. This is not an unreasonable expectation.
    Frankly, I don't think people should even be allowed to become a PvE mentor if they haven't cleared all content in the game, excepting perhaps Ultimates since that would be an unreasonable expectation.
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    Part of the problem is that players think mentors should be something they aren't. Mentors are simply people that have 1500 commendations, 1000 dungeons, and a level 90 tank, healer and DPS. SE lays out what mentors do:

    #1 Provide gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players.
    #2 Be an exemplar for player etiquette.
    #3 Invite new adventurers to the Novice Network, and answer their queries in the chat channel.

    That's all it is. Nowhere does it say mentors have to be 100% perfect in everything. That's a community perception. Mentor status doesn't require any major changes. It serves its purpose. The only thing I could recommend is that mentors need to sometimes execute the "kick from channel" on other mentors for breaking #2. That's what gives mentors a bad reputation, in my opinion.

    Players don't come on Novice Network to get answers on how to completely maximize their DPS for raid purposes. That's what discords like The Balance are for. Mentors can give advice on how to get better, but the squabbling in NN over whether it makes more sense to use Chainsaw before Air Anchor for an extra 5 dps is plain silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dspguy View Post
    Part of the problem is that players think mentors should be something they aren't. Mentors are simply people that have 1500 commendations, 1000 dungeons, and a level 90 tank, healer and DPS. SE lays out what mentors do:

    #1 Provide gameplay advice for new adventurers and other players.
    #2 Be an exemplar for player etiquette.
    #3 Invite new adventurers to the Novice Network, and answer their queries in the chat channel.

    That's all it is. Nowhere does it say mentors have to be 100% perfect in everything. That's a community perception. Mentor status doesn't require any major changes. It serves its purpose. The only thing I could recommend is that mentors need to sometimes execute the "kick from channel" on other mentors for breaking #2. That's what gives mentors a bad reputation, in my opinion.

    Players don't come on Novice Network to get answers on how to completely maximize their DPS for raid purposes. That's what discords like The Balance are for. Mentors can give advice on how to get better, but the squabbling in NN over whether it makes more sense to use Chainsaw before Air Anchor for an extra 5 dps is plain silly.
    I disagree. The whole system needs to be reworked from the ground up. Not really like how OP suggests, but it needs a change.

    Also no one really wants to kick in the NN unless it's bots or whatever, because as it turns out you can have a bunch of mentors collude to kick any mentors offering helpful advice in the NN, but you can't have a mentor kick another mentor that's spamming nsfw feet fetish lines in the chat without a GM talking to you later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    I disagree. The whole system needs to be reworked from the ground up. Not really like how OP suggests, but it needs a change.

    Also no one really wants to kick in the NN unless it's bots or whatever, because as it turns out you can have a bunch of mentors collude to kick any mentors offering helpful advice in the NN, but you can't have a mentor kick another mentor that's spamming nsfw feet fetish lines in the chat without a GM talking to you later.
    That's my point. Some are complaining that a system is doing what it is designed to do, but it just isn't what they want. That's like me complaining that I bought a car that happens to have 4 tires. Maybe 3 tires is better! Gee, I wish the 4 tire car had 3 tires... Maybe this MMO...err... car, just isn't for me. Maybe I should go out and look for one that is for me.
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