Please stop putting the Crystalline Conflict Glamour Coffer at Rank 25

[QiyoJoyo]

Playing 100 Games over a year is not an effort.
Playing 100 Games in over a month is also not an effort, but if you really want to compare both: Yes, a Player that plays 100 Games in a month put in more work, in a shorter timeframe.

Do you consider walking 20km over a day more effort then running 20km in a certain time?

In the end, we both traveld 20km, we should be treated equal. But for some reason people that run 20km in a short time are considers athlets and me, walking 20km at work over 8h is considerd a normal person.

[Colt47]

Playing 100 Games over a year is not an effort.
Playing 100 Games in over a month is also not an effort, but if you really want to compare both: Yes, a Player that plays 100 Games in a month put in more work, in a shorter timeframe.

Do you consider walking 20km over a day more effort then running 20km in a certain time?

In the end, we both traveld 20km, we should be treated equal. But for some reason people that run 20km in a short time are considers athlets and me, walking 20km at work over 8h is considerd a normal person.

Is walking 20km the same on a treadmill vs walking 20km in yellow stone national park?

Quantitively both people walked the same distance, but if someone were to ask which of the two found more fulfillment in the task the latter would definitely feel like they had accomplished more. PvP in CC repeatedly over 100 games is effectively treadmill running: Even if someone gave rewards along the way it wouldn't even matter in the end since once the person gets the reward, they are going to look back and realize how empty that journey was. The only pride they could take is that they put themselves through a painful process and can find some level of catharsis, much like getting a free cookie at a blood bank.

This is the crux of what the OP is getting at and why the whole deal with pvp right now is a problem. If they had more things to do in PvP that could provide variety for those 100+ games then it would workout a bit better. As it stands right now someone is liable to feel the crust around the edges as soon as they get to rank 15.

It's very much like Diablo 3 end game where there's literally only one thing to do, vs something like Path of Exile where they at least got a few different modes of play to explore, as well as incentive to go back and try new builds later so as not to be trapped in the same box forever. Also, ranked players seem to have a huge difference in how they feel about CC vs non-ranked, and this is probably due to the pool of players being far smaller in ranked. The two have very different cultures and generally ranked players care about how fast the game gets ended and not just if they win.

[QiyoJoyo]

Depends.

What if the one on the treadmill is working to lose weight, after letting himself go because of a nasty breakup? Why should only the one that walks in yellow stone feel accomplished or fulfillment.

Everyone that argues that playing while the season is active, is a crux...seems to really do not like pvp and thats the error in the first place. You do this because you want the glam, but not to play pvp and because of that you think everybody hates pvp as much as you or feels exhaust after 100 or 1000 matches. I love pvp, even if i really suck at it sometimes and i have fun in EACH match. I dont feel burdend by playing till i got lvl 25.

And why do you or CerusSerenad always say i can not take pride in my accomplishment. I said it before, you can see the statistics, you know when the enemy knows his class or when your teammates only mindless run around.

PvP is a Gamemode like any other and if you do not enjoy it, yes then grinding 16h for lvl 25 is harsh... but well if you want the glam so much you will have to endure then the glam was made as reward for pvp players and not for you.

[CerusSerenade]

Playing 100 Games over a year is not an effort.
Playing 100 Games in over a month is also not an effort, but if you really want to compare both: Yes, a Player that plays 100 Games in a month put in more work, in a shorter timeframe.

Do you consider walking 20km over a day more effort then running 20km in a certain time?

In the end, we both traveld 20km, we should be treated equal. But for some reason people that run 20km in a short time are considers athlets and me, walking 20km at work over 8h is considerd a normal person.

You're comparing playing 100 games spread out about different times to walking vs sprinting, that is not the case.

The effort of the PVP games themselves do not change regardless of how close together the separate games are. 100 games is 100 games. You're effectively trying to argue that a pound of feathers and a pound of bricks weigh different amounts... despite still being a pound each.

That playing more games in a shorter amount of time is more TAXING on the player is a different concept altogether, and lauding it should not be something you aim to do. Your argument was "prestige PVP rewards should not be given away for non-effort", but 100 PVP games is 100 PVP games, the amount of effort has not changed just the convenience at which players may perform that effort.

Your argument has boiled down to "I don't care about the effort you put in, I care about how many inconveniences you're willing to endure while still putting in that effort." which is something I entirely disagree with supporting, hence my hard stance against the Series Malmstone system.

[Colt47]

You're comparing playing 100 games spread out about different times to walking vs sprinting, that is not the case.

The effort of the PVP games themselves do not change regardless of how close together the separate games are. 100 games is 100 games. You're effectively trying to argue that a pound of feathers and a pound of bricks weigh different amounts... despite still being a pound each.

That playing more games in a shorter amount of time is more TAXING on the player is a different concept altogether, and lauding it should not be something you aim to do. Your argument was "prestige PVP rewards should not be given away for non-effort", but 100 PVP games is 100 PVP games, the amount of effort has not changed just the convenience at which players may perform that effort.

Your argument has boiled down to "I don't care about the effort you put in, I care about how many inconveniences you're willing to endure while still putting in that effort." which is something I entirely disagree with supporting, hence my hard stance against the Series Malmstone system.

Also not helping much that we don't know the fate of the rewards that cycle out. Historically PvP rewards became part of the wolf marks system, but nothing that has rotated to wolfmarks from the malmstone or crystal trophy points, and it isn't in the best interest of the company to reveal the fate of those rewards, either.

[QiyoJoyo]

You're comparing playing 100 games spread out about different times to walking vs sprinting, that is not the case.

The effort of the PVP games themselves do not change regardless of how close together the separate games are. 100 games is 100 games. You're effectively trying to argue that a pound of feathers and a pound of bricks weigh different amounts... despite still being a pound each.

That playing more games in a shorter amount of time is more TAXING on the player is a different concept altogether, and lauding it should not be something you aim to do. Your argument was "prestige PVP rewards should not be given away for non-effort", but 100 PVP games is 100 PVP games, the amount of effort has not changed just the convenience at which players may perform that effort.

Your argument has boiled down to "I don't care about the effort you put in, I care about how many inconveniences you're willing to endure while still putting in that effort." which is something I entirely disagree with supporting, hence my hard stance against the Series Malmstone system.

20km are 20 km, the difference is the time it got done.

And thats exactly what you are saying over and over 100 games are 100 games. Or not? So why is somone that runs that 20km a athlete and i'm not? I do the 20km in MY time! Does this sound familiar to you, hrm?

The 100 or 10000 games are taxing to YOU and some people that only want this glam.

My argument boils down in: If you want something, from a gamemode you do not like, you will have to life with the inconceniences.

Your argument boils down to: I dont want other players to have something, i dont have. I want to play over a year a game there and there and then get the same reward as everybody that grinds in time. Because it would be unfair for ME if they got something i dont.

[CerusSerenade]

20km are 20 km, the difference is the time it got done.

And thats exactly what you are saying over and over 100 games are 100 games. Or not? So why is somone that runs that 20km a athlete and i'm not? I do the 20km in MY time! Does this sound familiar to you, hrm?

The 100 or 10000 games are taxing to YOU and some people that only want this glam.

My argument boils down in: If you want something, from a gamemode you do not like, you will have to life with the inconceniences.

Your argument boils down to: I dont want other players to have something, i dont have. I want to play over a year a game there and there and then get the same reward as everybody that grinds in time. Because it would be unfair for ME if they got something i dont.

Incorrect. Your argument is not "live with the consequences of your decisions", it's "I don't care about the effort itself, I only care that you had to suffer like I did." Do not attempt to pretty it up given that I broke it down rather definitively just a short while ago. You said it yourself. You consider playing 100 games of PVP a non-effort by itself, it's doing it in a short amount of time that is exceedingly tedious and exhausting that you care about.

I'll also kindly ask you shove it with your additional attempt at misrepresenting what I'm saying. My argument is "I don't want to be threatened with losing access to rewards forever because I didn't want to play PVP as much during a specific time period." We don't treat Ultimates like this. We don't treat Relics like this. We don't treat any other piece of content like this except for seasonal events which later get added to the mogstation anyway and only take an hour tops if you're rushing. YoshiP himself has stated that players should feel comfortable taking breaks from the game, but this is directly antithetical to that sentiment.

If YoshiP truly believes in the idea of taking breaks from FFXIV without stress or pressure, he should push to remove the Series Malmstone system, and redistribute the rewards to trophy crystals, wolf marks, or some other means of attainment that is not time-limited.

But go off about how you prefer players not put in effort, but inconvenience themselves playing a repetitive game mode in a clearly manipulative FOMO system that is designed to lock players in on the threat of missing out on unique glamor, mounts, and pets. Clearly THAT'S healthy for players and a game as a whole...

[Stormpeaks]

Incorrect. Your argument is not "live with the consequences of your decisions", it's "I don't care about the effort itself, I only care that you had to suffer like I did." Do not attempt to pretty it up given that I broke it down rather definitively just a short while ago. You said it yourself. You consider playing 100 games of PVP a non-effort by itself, it's doing it in a short amount of time that is exceedingly tedious and exhausting that you care about.

I'll also kindly ask you shove it with your additional attempt at misrepresenting what I'm saying. My argument is "I don't want to be threatened with losing access to rewards forever because I didn't want to play PVP as much during a specific time period." We don't treat Ultimates like this. We don't treat Relics like this. We don't treat any other piece of content like this except for seasonal events which later get added to the mogstation anyway and only take an hour tops if you're rushing. YoshiP himself has stated that players should feel comfortable taking breaks from the game, but this is directly antithetical to that sentiment.

If YoshiP truly believes in the idea of taking breaks from FFXIV without stress or pressure, he should push to remove the Series Malmstone system, and redistribute the rewards to trophy crystals, wolf marks, or some other means of attainment that is not time-limited.

But go off about how you prefer players not put in effort, but inconvenience themselves playing a repetitive game mode in a clearly manipulative FOMO system that is designed to lock players in on the threat of missing out on unique glamor, mounts, and pets. Clearly THAT'S healthy for players and a game as a whole...

Oh my god will you stop crying about it already, if you dont want to do it, just dont do it, its not rocket science, dont complain you dont get the reward tied to it then, jesus

[QiyoJoyo]

Oh my god will you stop crying about it already, if you dont want to do it, just dont do it, its not rocket science, dont complain you dont get the reward tied to it then, jesus

He will do it until he gets all the rewards after one game, or he will sue SE for his burn out because he was FORCED to play... he cannot live without it.

I love his Yoshi P rambling. Because you also get your house taken from you if you take a long break from ff14 but thats not his concern. He needs the Glam, or he will drop dead....or drop and the floor and throw a tantrum.

Edith: Before he will throw insults at me: Sorry, he wants the rewards to mean nothing and that you can get them for money or for 100,000 Wolfmarks, but after all i read so far, even if SE will do that, he will cry about the grind beeing to intense. Because PVP is bad.

[CerusSerenade]

He will do it until he gets all the rewards after one game, or he will sue SE for his burn out because he was FORCED to play... he cannot live without it.

I love his Yoshi P rambling. Because you also get your house taken from you if you take a long break from ff14 but thats not his concern. He needs the Glam, or he will drop dead....or drop and the floor and throw a tantrum.

Edith: Before he will throw insults at me: Sorry, he wants the rewards to mean nothing and that you can get them for money or for 100,000 Wolfmarks, but after all i read so far, even if SE will do that, he will cry about the grind beeing to intense. Because PVP is bad.

It is now abundantly clear that you are either arguing in INCREDIBLY poor faith, or a troll. I am now thoroughly convinced by your behavior that it's both. As such I will not continue this discussion with you. Have a nice life, try not to treat everyone in your life like this.