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    Quote Originally Posted by CerusSerenade View Post
    You're comparing playing 100 games spread out about different times to walking vs sprinting, that is not the case.

    The effort of the PVP games themselves do not change regardless of how close together the separate games are. 100 games is 100 games. You're effectively trying to argue that a pound of feathers and a pound of bricks weigh different amounts... despite still being a pound each.

    That playing more games in a shorter amount of time is more TAXING on the player is a different concept altogether, and lauding it should not be something you aim to do. Your argument was "prestige PVP rewards should not be given away for non-effort", but 100 PVP games is 100 PVP games, the amount of effort has not changed just the convenience at which players may perform that effort.

    Your argument has boiled down to "I don't care about the effort you put in, I care about how many inconveniences you're willing to endure while still putting in that effort." which is something I entirely disagree with supporting, hence my hard stance against the Series Malmstone system.
    20km are 20 km, the difference is the time it got done.

    And thats exactly what you are saying over and over 100 games are 100 games. Or not? So why is somone that runs that 20km a athlete and i'm not? I do the 20km in MY time! Does this sound familiar to you, hrm?

    The 100 or 10000 games are taxing to YOU and some people that only want this glam.

    My argument boils down in: If you want something, from a gamemode you do not like, you will have to life with the inconceniences.

    Your argument boils down to: I dont want other players to have something, i dont have. I want to play over a year a game there and there and then get the same reward as everybody that grinds in time. Because it would be unfair for ME if they got something i dont.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QiyoJoyo View Post
    20km are 20 km, the difference is the time it got done.

    And thats exactly what you are saying over and over 100 games are 100 games. Or not? So why is somone that runs that 20km a athlete and i'm not? I do the 20km in MY time! Does this sound familiar to you, hrm?

    The 100 or 10000 games are taxing to YOU and some people that only want this glam.

    My argument boils down in: If you want something, from a gamemode you do not like, you will have to life with the inconceniences.

    Your argument boils down to: I dont want other players to have something, i dont have. I want to play over a year a game there and there and then get the same reward as everybody that grinds in time. Because it would be unfair for ME if they got something i dont.
    Incorrect. Your argument is not "live with the consequences of your decisions", it's "I don't care about the effort itself, I only care that you had to suffer like I did." Do not attempt to pretty it up given that I broke it down rather definitively just a short while ago. You said it yourself. You consider playing 100 games of PVP a non-effort by itself, it's doing it in a short amount of time that is exceedingly tedious and exhausting that you care about.

    I'll also kindly ask you shove it with your additional attempt at misrepresenting what I'm saying. My argument is "I don't want to be threatened with losing access to rewards forever because I didn't want to play PVP as much during a specific time period." We don't treat Ultimates like this. We don't treat Relics like this. We don't treat any other piece of content like this except for seasonal events which later get added to the mogstation anyway and only take an hour tops if you're rushing. YoshiP himself has stated that players should feel comfortable taking breaks from the game, but this is directly antithetical to that sentiment.

    If YoshiP truly believes in the idea of taking breaks from FFXIV without stress or pressure, he should push to remove the Series Malmstone system, and redistribute the rewards to trophy crystals, wolf marks, or some other means of attainment that is not time-limited.

    But go off about how you prefer players not put in effort, but inconvenience themselves playing a repetitive game mode in a clearly manipulative FOMO system that is designed to lock players in on the threat of missing out on unique glamor, mounts, and pets. Clearly THAT'S healthy for players and a game as a whole...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CerusSerenade View Post
    Incorrect. Your argument is not "live with the consequences of your decisions", it's "I don't care about the effort itself, I only care that you had to suffer like I did." Do not attempt to pretty it up given that I broke it down rather definitively just a short while ago. You said it yourself. You consider playing 100 games of PVP a non-effort by itself, it's doing it in a short amount of time that is exceedingly tedious and exhausting that you care about.

    I'll also kindly ask you shove it with your additional attempt at misrepresenting what I'm saying. My argument is "I don't want to be threatened with losing access to rewards forever because I didn't want to play PVP as much during a specific time period." We don't treat Ultimates like this. We don't treat Relics like this. We don't treat any other piece of content like this except for seasonal events which later get added to the mogstation anyway and only take an hour tops if you're rushing. YoshiP himself has stated that players should feel comfortable taking breaks from the game, but this is directly antithetical to that sentiment.

    If YoshiP truly believes in the idea of taking breaks from FFXIV without stress or pressure, he should push to remove the Series Malmstone system, and redistribute the rewards to trophy crystals, wolf marks, or some other means of attainment that is not time-limited.

    But go off about how you prefer players not put in effort, but inconvenience themselves playing a repetitive game mode in a clearly manipulative FOMO system that is designed to lock players in on the threat of missing out on unique glamor, mounts, and pets. Clearly THAT'S healthy for players and a game as a whole...
    Oh my god will you stop crying about it already, if you dont want to do it, just dont do it, its not rocket science, dont complain you dont get the reward tied to it then, jesus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    Oh my god will you stop crying about it already, if you dont want to do it, just dont do it, its not rocket science, dont complain you dont get the reward tied to it then, jesus
    He will do it until he gets all the rewards after one game, or he will sue SE for his burn out because he was FORCED to play... he cannot live without it.

    I love his Yoshi P rambling. Because you also get your house taken from you if you take a long break from ff14 but thats not his concern. He needs the Glam, or he will drop dead....or drop and the floor and throw a tantrum.

    Edith: Before he will throw insults at me: Sorry, he wants the rewards to mean nothing and that you can get them for money or for 100,000 Wolfmarks, but after all i read so far, even if SE will do that, he will cry about the grind beeing to intense. Because PVP is bad.
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    Last edited by QiyoJoyo; 03-28-2023 at 06:46 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QiyoJoyo View Post
    He will do it until he gets all the rewards after one game, or he will sue SE for his burn out because he was FORCED to play... he cannot live without it.

    I love his Yoshi P rambling. Because you also get your house taken from you if you take a long break from ff14 but thats not his concern. He needs the Glam, or he will drop dead....or drop and the floor and throw a tantrum.

    Edith: Before he will throw insults at me: Sorry, he wants the rewards to mean nothing and that you can get them for money or for 100,000 Wolfmarks, but after all i read so far, even if SE will do that, he will cry about the grind beeing to intense. Because PVP is bad.
    It is now abundantly clear that you are either arguing in INCREDIBLY poor faith, or a troll. I am now thoroughly convinced by your behavior that it's both. As such I will not continue this discussion with you. Have a nice life, try not to treat everyone in your life like this.
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