Please consider making CC a daily

[Osmond]

Would rather have rival wings daily…….or scrap that content altogether. They went super quiet on that. Do they even have someone on their team, wondering wth this even exist?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Would rather have rival wings daily…….or scrap that content altogether. They went super quiet on that. Do they even have someone on their team, wondering wth this even exist?

That went from 0 to 100 fast...

They probably are silent on it because their main concern of playerbases, the JP players, might not even have the issue of getting matches for Rival Wings in the manner we do.
"It is content so I should do it" and so on.

[Colt47]

Frontlines would die then.

You're saying this as if it should be a problem that they die!

The way the pvp works now, there is a real flow to how fighting works in the 5 v 5 format. This doesn't work at all in Frontline engagements because the total damage a pack of 8+ does renders even guard useless.

Frontlines they need something like NPCs fighting amongst the players to help mitigate the swarm tactics. I was a huge fan of Alterac Valley back when it was actually good. Having objectives like claiming the mines and then getting cavalry units to charge forward to disrupt things.

Unfortunately, CC is still crap because depending on the group makeup it is just RNG if you win or lose. Case in point: Getting three ranged dps with a warrior and healer against a melee, tank, healer, one ranged, and another melee. This isn't a skill issue: The other team basically can dance around the other group like they are a joke while the melee struggles to even get within ranged to start attacking.

Another example is getting two tanks and three melee vs a single tank, healer, and just about any configuration of dps. I could go on all day. Maybe in some different reality where party comms were possible and people could pre-queue like an actual pvp team, this wouldn't be an issue? It's like SE wants PvP to fill a checkbox and then hates the entire concept of actually having a skill based match...

[Ransu]

- I wouldn't have a problem with frontlines going away and the game focus entirely on small scale pvp. Frontlines was never a good mode imo (and this goes for nearly every mmo with large scale pvp. Anything with a mass amount of players is impossible to balance and are just joke modes of pure zerg/ranged/aoe spam), but it doesn't mean I will actively advocate for changes that could hurt the queue for those that enjoy it. Even if the number of people who like the mode is very few, the exp daily incentives is what keeps the mode populated for those players. I'd never queue for FL if it wasn't for the daily.

- I'm sorry you think CC is crap. I think it needs some ironing out, but the mode overall is fantastic imo and I really wish more people would play ranked. I personally don't see the point in pvping in any unranked setting.

-I used to think like you early in season 1 with the roles you get on a team, but as I got better I realized most of it is nonsense. RNG is RNG, can't really do anything about the skill level of your teammates, but the roles don't really make that much of a difference. CC overall is fairly balanced at this point with really only some small things I think should change with each job (with the exception of GNB. I personally think that job should be redesigned as the junction system is trash.)

[Colt47]

The all ranged vs melee is a problem since when the group does know what it is doing and both sides are even, they have the ability to delete most melees without much issue. Even tankier ones like Dragoon go down far too easy because the dragon roar is only effective in melee combat, not against ranged. It isn't impossible to get guard up and tank the hits for a short while if they all go through burst first. Additionally they can attack from outside of PoV which is a huge advantage.

Also this is a specific group comp and not just an all ranged vs all melee dps thing. Some party configurations are absolutely better in a match (which is probably why we are getting stuck with this RNG fest)

[Ransu]

The all ranged vs melee is a problem since when the group does know what it is doing and both sides are even, they have the ability to delete most melees without much issue. Even tankier ones like Dragoon go down far too easy because the dragon roar is only effective in melee combat, not against ranged. It isn't impossible to get guard up and tank the hits for a short while if they all go through burst first. Additionally they can attack from outside of PoV which is a huge advantage.

Also this is a specific group comp and not just an all ranged vs all melee dps thing. Some party configurations are absolutely better in a match (which is probably why we are getting stuck with this RNG fest)

Melee can deal with ranged pretty easily. Just dive on them and its no longer a problem.

[Colt47]

Melee can deal with ranged pretty easily. Just dive on them and its no longer a problem.

Can't dive into them when the enemy team snares you back with a holmgang. :P

Again, the groups are like a hand of cards and some of the hands are just going to win against other hands when all the things are equal. If they made match making do balanced teams all the time we'd probably see strategies start to form more readily.

Regardless, the real problem with PvP is the tedium of it. It's very much like Diablo 3 Rifts except the rewards get more and more sparse the further you go up, so there is even less incentive to keep pushing forward. People can enjoy pvp casually, but I've listened to more than my fair share of discord ranting when dealing with the whole thing.

[Ransu]

Holmgang is single target, can't stop everyone with it, and honestly if there's a WAR on the team just blow him up. WAR's are easy to kill.

[BRVV]

as cool as that sounds I'm worried for all the casuals

Nah don't worry. Just like the wintraders and the current FL joiners the 0 damage dealt afkers will stay in both modes

[Pickledpinkpeppers]

I know others may not share the same opinion, but I was wondering if Crystalline Conflict could be made into a daily in the future alongside Frontlines? It would be nice to have the option since I have way more fun in CC than I do FL, and even if it was still less exp and rewards (since it's shorter) I'd still just have more fun making slower progress doing that every day rather than FL which is the only PVP daily. As it is now I do still sometimes play CC on my own since it's fun, but since I'm leveling up some side classes on my characters and also like some of the gear you can get with the wolf marks/crystals, I often feel compelled to pick up FL just for the daily exp and rewards even though I don't enjoy it so much.

And no I am not one of those people who freeloads on daily FL, I do my best to contribute without dying, but I see it constantly so I know I am not the only one who does not enjoy queueing up for it. I constantly just see people running around in circles, or running head first into enemy to die, etc etc. It would be nice to have 2 PVP options where you could pick one daily to do rather than just the one, and then each just has a boost to their exp and rewards (to an appropriate level based on time put in).

Yes, please. Also redo Rival Wings and add that as daily rolo too.